Folski Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Personally, I think it was a case of the players had no idea what they were supposed to do. I mean it wasn't obvious to me what we were trying to achieve under Gerrard. I think it was a case of be compact and try and do something in the final third. Very much looks like Danks was looking for 2 players holding in the middle with Watkins and Bailey told to stretch the play, Emi looked to have a free role but told to always make himself available and play quick pass and move football. Have we established there was a us v them mentality in the coaching staff? As I know a few have suggested it wasnt a nice environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I don't think the players "downed tools", up until the Fulham game at least. I think they simply lost belief in what they were being asked to do. If you are told to do your job a certain way, even though you believe it's not the correct way, at what point do you question that instruction? Maybe not at first, more likely you'll do as you're told and trust the manager giving the instruction, but if the results of those instructions are poor, and then you're asked to carry out the same instructions again? Rinse and repeat this many times and you can see how the enthusiasm for the job at hand wanes. If then the said manager begins throwing you and your team mates under the bus for the poor results... well, we all know how it ended. I'm not saying the players are free from blame, just trying to explain how it's difficult to perform when you don't have confidence in what you are being asked to do. I think there was a cathartic feel to the Brentford performance, I think the whole club needed it, but it's not something I expect to be easily repeated, the circumstances that led to that performance will change. It simply shows that if you can convince the players that what they are doing is correct then they will follow, and they have the talent to do so very effectively . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted October 29, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2022 Yup. Just needed sack the manager, and we’re all good. Or maybe it’s not that simple — and never was. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Embarrassingly poor all round, Danks included. Total garbage from the players, back to the normal away form (as in League 1 level). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Newcastle show that you can achieve a fair bit with "sub standard" players, the mentality aspect of football goes incredibly far and their a buzzing feel good factor team playing out of their skin Still maintain on paper their squad isn't as good as ours We're stuck looking down, they're looking up, it's insane what a difference it makes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 No doubt for some of them theres no hope for improvement But most of them have never actually worked for a good manager for this level, so i'll wait and see what Emery can do with them. After his goal today, Almiron has 6 goals in 12 games this season. He'd only scored 9 in his previous 110 premier league games. He looks a different player now Howe has had time to work with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Bunch of flat track bullies that down tools and look for anyone else to blame when the going gets tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, andym said: No doubt for some of them theres no hope for improvement But most of them have never actually worked for a good manager for this level, so i'll wait and see what Emery can do with them. After his goal today, Almiron has 6 goals in 12 games this season. He'd only scored 9 in his previous 110 premier league games. He looks a different player now Howe has had time to work with him. Almiron has always been a grafter. That could never be labelled against him. Grafter and never hides. Now he's getting his rewards. How many players in this squad would you say that about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: Almiron has always been a grafter. That could never be labelled against him. Grafter and never hides. Now he's getting his rewards. How many players in this squad would you say that about? You could say the same about Ollie for example. Similar position. Buendia as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Soft underbelly, which in truth has been around for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Why do so many of our players seem content with everything going on? These guys are so weak mentally it’s so embarrassing. All the time we go a goal down I just sit here and think to myself what’s the actual point if these guys are going to give up. If these players continue to act like this when Emery is in charge then we have to be ruthless and cut our losses with them. At times it’s felt like the players are ok with just settling with being average to poor, so long as they get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 The collective footballing IQ of this team is really shocking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 What do people think has happened to the likes of Joelinton, Schar, Longstaff, Almiron, Murphy etc? They start juicing or something? Because this time last year they were among the worst players the league has seen for a long time when they played under Steve Bruce. Now they are brushing most teams including us aside with style. For example, they now press relentlessly, whereas the word press wasn't even in their vocabulary before. What could make then do that I wonder. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, Keyblade said: What do people think has happened to the likes of Joelinton, Schar, Longstaff, Almiron, Murphy etc? They start juicing or something? Because this time last year they were among the worst players the league has seen for a long time when they played under Steve Bruce. Now they are brushing most teams including us aside with style. For example, they now press relentlessly, whereas the word press wasn't even in their vocabulary before. What could make then do that I wonder. Eddie Howe had Bournemouth covering great distances in their matches too, Dan Gosling led the league's running stats at one point. They also got punished for breaking anti doping rules by not providing their whereabouts (Man City were punished at the same time). Whatever he does he gets teams fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 There is nowhere to hide now that Gerrard is gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Watkins konsa mcginn nakamba can all go. Im seriously starting ti get fed up of buendia as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 When was the last time we went 2-0 down and went on to win the game? Other teams seem to be able to have it in them with Villa once a second has gone in they just about give up and are far more likely to concede a couple more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Still maintain on paper their squad isn't as good as ours How many Villa players would get in Nooooocastle team then V4E? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 What I can’t get over is how they can be so half arsed given that their new manager was watching, the Brazil manager was watching and the England manager was watching? How much more personal motivation do they need?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: When was the last time we went 2-0 down and went on to win the game? Other teams seem to be able to have it in them with Villa once a second has gone in they just about give up and are far more likely to concede a couple more. Hmm, I don’t think we have this season? Wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t it last season either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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