Keener window-cleaner Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: Lot of players need a kicking as well. Paid a fortune but can't be bothered. I think they do, but it often looks this way when a manager doesn't manage to get his ideas across, or don't have any ideas, or the players just realise that the instructions given them arent working, but try to carry it out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted October 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2022 When you just had a hard earned draw against Manc $ity, and your manager turnaround and said you didn't follow his gameplan and instructions, then I kind of get why players performance may drop off somewhat. There is blame, but it's easy enough to see the cause of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Xela said: Lot of players need a kicking as well. Paid a fortune but can't be bothered. People are desperately trying to defend them saying it’s Gerrards fault they’ve downed tools. Maybe it is but they’re not disheartened fans they’re f**king professionals and they were absolutely abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I don't blame any of the players. The manager has no idea how to set us up, and he makes them all look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Lots of our players are far from good enough. Cash, Konsa, McGinn. Ramsey, Watkins and Bailey are all regular starters and there are loads of better players, in their respective positions, who are earning less than ten grand a week in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Well, you see… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Looks like the squad was fine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zatman Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 20/10/2022 at 21:38, Xela said: Lot of players need a kicking as well. Paid a fortune but can't be bothered. mm NO I am pretty sure the squad are actually fine It was so predictable under a half decent coach we would look OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: mm NO I am pretty sure the squad are actually fine It was so predictable under a half decent coach we would look OK There is no excuse for lack of effort, and some of the players haven't tried 100% this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: There is no excuse for lack of effort, and some of the players haven't tried 100% this season. was no lack of effort though. I cant think of one player that hasnt tried this season They were led by a clueless clearing in the woods and with a basic tactical change that a lot of Villa fans called for then today they thrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted October 23, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Xela said: There is no excuse for lack of effort, and some of the players haven't tried 100% this season. Sorry mate, but if you were working for a clueless numptey that was making your work life miserable you would find it tough to be at your best everyday. Gerrard was in charge, the work life culture was his responsibility and it was instantly proven that he didn't know what he was doing. I don't blame the players at all, if anything I blame them for giving too much and keeping him in a job far too long. This thread should be closed imo Edited October 23, 2022 by Villan_of_oz 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Villan_of_oz said: Sorry mate, but if you were working for a clueless numptey that was making your work life miserable you would find it tough to be at your best everyday. Gerrard was in charge, the work life culture was his responsibility and it was instantly proven that he didn't know what he was doing. I don't blame the players at all, if anything I blame them for giving too much and keeping him in a job far too long. This thread should be closed imo They're multi millionaire professional footballers living a pampered life, not working in a mine, or on an oil rig. I've worked for plenty of managers, good and bad, and my professional pride means I will always work to the best of my ability. Thats just me though, some people may well use a shit manager as an excuse to shirk and be lazy. Anyway, you are right, this thread should be closed. UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: They're multi millionaire professional footballers living a pampered life, not working in a mine, or on an oil rig. I've worked for plenty of managers, good and bad, and my professional pride means I will always work to the best of my ability. Thats just me though, some people may well use a shit manager as an excuse to shirk and be lazy. Anyway, you are right, this thread should be closed. UTV Players were working to the best of the ability but the tactics were farcical under Captain clearing in the woods. He had McGinn/Ramsey playing in reverse positions, our wingers got none of the ball and our full backs were playmakers. Its actually disgraceful he got so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted October 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: They're multi millionaire professional footballers living a pampered life, not working in a mine, or on an oil rig. I've worked for plenty of managers, good and bad, and my professional pride means I will always work to the best of my ability. Thats just me though, some people may well use a shit manager as an excuse to shirk and be lazy. Anyway, you are right, this thread should be closed. UTV I do understand your point, I run my own gardening business and I can't even down tools when I'm trying to get payment. Football is different though and I honestly think SG absolutely did everything possible to harm the team environment. I don't actually feel like they downed tools, Man City and Chelsea being prime examples. I just think the players had become so frustrated trying to execute a game plan that clearly didn't work. Its good to win either way! UTV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Aside from Fulham, I never really thought the players weren't playing for Gerrard, i don't think he was that poor a man manager that they all hated him. However, its much easier to look like effort is being made when you are setup correctly. For example, Luiz won lots of tackles and interceptions today - he could commit 100% because he knew Dendoncker was backing him up and with Buendia also buzzing around any 2nd balls would be mopped up. Contrast that with McGinn and Ramsey whose defensive awareness is poor; if he commits and loses the opposition is in because those two definitely wont be covering. So he holds off which is seen as lazy, but actually its the only thing he can do. Thats why even with Kamara playing alongside those two we had exactly the same issues. Upfront with the forwards, its much easier to be involved when you have proper support and work triangles and other patterns instead of the game plan just being for the full backs to smash crosses in all game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Certainly seems that some players downed tools. That's worrying as what's to say they won't just do the same again for whoever the new manager is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: Certainly seems that some players downed tools. That's worrying as what's to say they won't just do the same again for whoever the new manager is I dont think thats true, seems to be todays media agenda though. We were just tactically inept previously, the improvement in balance yesterday wasnt because the players cared more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: Certainly seems that some players downed tools. That's worrying as what's to say they won't just do the same again for whoever the new manager is I was angry with them after Fulham but that last week must have been very strange at the training ground as from the outside it felt like not if but when Gerrard would be sacked. If Gerrard had also mentally checked out what kind of preparation went into that game I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 It is one game. There is quite some way to go yet even though yesterday was much needed and a realy boost. Long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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