Ratings & Reactions: FAC3: Man Utd v Villa

[Follyfoot]

1 minute ago, flashingqwerty said:

Ask yourself if it's the other way around do you want the goal disallowed?

Of course you do

The other way round it doesn’t get checked at all as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error. Goal stands and kick off 

[Mister_a]

 

[The Fun Factory]

1 minute ago, LondonLax said:

Yeah, the conspiracy stuff is making us look pretty pathetic.

We need to get our team sorted to actually defend properly and create clear chances. Hopefully Coutinho and Digne can be two big steps forward in achieving that. 

2 goals disallowed and hit the bar.

How many chances do you want?

[LondonLax]

2 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

2 goals disallowed and hit the bar.

How many chances do you want?

They were correctly disallowed for offside and our striker hit the bar from 6 yards out after their centre half back passed it to him!

We only managed 2 shots on target and our xG has been woeful for weeks now. 

Edited January 10, 2022 by LondonLax

[Zhan_Zhuang]

A good game, we gave them a game and we probably should have won.

Luiz, Buendia, Ramsey and Mcginn all played very well tonight. 

Watkins and Ings also worked well together, both should have scored.

Villa look to be in much better shape than them, we have better players. The only difference is the added protection they seem to get and the savvy (almost cheating) nature of their players. There were many incidents of the way they play for fouls and win them even though one could argue the decision could have perhaps gone the other way.

Can't believe Dion Dublin gave McTominay the MOTM, What The Actual F*** was he watching? 

I've thought this for sometime now but is Rashford so overrated? Greenwood overrated too now you mention it.

Villa owe these big time for the next match.

Coutinho to get the winner?

Edited January 10, 2022 by Zhan_Zhuang

[The_Steve]

1 minute ago, TomC said:

I missed that clause, but unfortunately, I think it supports the offside decision.

I have to say that it draws a very strange distinction between impeding and impacting,.

 

As this angle shows Cavani doesn't give JJ any room to get out of the way so by default impedes which is a horribly worded term that gives favour to the attacker. We all know this wouldn't be given at Villa Park.

[foreveryoung]

I wanna know if the ref is ever going to overule the VAR. Everytime they go to the screen it's overturned period!

[LondonLax]

7 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

As this angle shows Cavani doesn't give JJ any room to get out of the way so by default impedes which is a horribly worded term that gives favour to the attacker. We all know this wouldn't be given at Villa Park.

Their attacker’s wouldn’t have been stupid enough to stand miles offside on their own attack. I’m guessing Ramsey was acting under instructions from our set piece specialist who was trying to be too clever. 

When you talk about the rules ‘giving advantage to the attacker’ you seem to be forgetting Ramsey was the attacker. He was just doing something daft. 

Edited January 10, 2022 by LondonLax

[foreveryoung]

10 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said:

Ask yourself if it's the other way around do you want the goal disallowed?

Of course you do

I also want a penalty for Shaw's hand in Konsa's face, can i have that, or is that reserved only for Man U too!

[flashingqwerty]

6 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Yeah, the conspiracy stuff is making us look pretty pathetic.

We need to get our team sorted to actually defend properly and create clear chances. Hopefully Coutinho and Digne can be two big steps forward in achieving that. 

It does and it doesn't.

There is clearly an effort being made to give decisions in United's favour, I don't think anyone can deny that today.

I just don't think the disallowed goal was one of them.

Digne will be a massive upgrade on Targett.  I'm not clear where Coutinho fits in yet, but I hope he works out.

We really need a CDM as Luiz isn't one, and we need an aerially dominant CB as Mings just makes too many errors

[OutByEaster?]

I'm going to concentrate on the positives.

Firstly, we were the better side, we outworked them in the middle of the park and for the most part restricted them to half chances, I thought Buendia was good again and we got less out of the game than we deserved - it's also nice that it's being recognised across most media that we got less than we deserved.

I like our spirit, our organisation and the ability we have to nick a ball and go forward with it.

For me, our two main weaknesses were a lack of clever support to Buendia, someone who can hold the ball up and make things happen with it, and that when Targett gets forward, he lacks that little bit of killer instinct and the athletic ability to impress. It might be the case that Cash suffers from a similar lack of final ball, but his athleticism stretches teams and makes life difficult for them.

By all accounts we're about to sign someone who is brilliant in support areas, can look after the ball and make things happen with it and a left back whose strength is their ability to get forward and play the final ball. 

We were the better team and we're about to address two of our weaknesses.

We're on the up, we're ambitious, our owners are ambitious, our manager is ambitious, we have the core of a good squad and we're adding strength in the right areas - there's lots to look at from this performance and be very positive about.

And yeah, I hate losing to this crap, I hate that Shaw and Fernandes are almost unbookable and I hate VAR - but those things are not going to stop us for long.

Let's have a go at putting this right on Saturday.

 

[The Fun Factory]

VAR should have a 2 minute time limit. Waiting the best part of 4 minutes to find an excuse to chalk a goal off it is  not  in the spirit of the game and completely stops the flow of a match.

Edited January 10, 2022 by The Fun Factory

[TRO]

48 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

He tackles Cavani, make of it what you will 

I thought it could so easily be deemed he run in to Ramsey.....its one of them.

Its so easy to do, for experienced players.

[nick76]

6 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said:

Ask yourself if it's the other way around do you want the goal disallowed?

Of course you do

Of course I do but I wouldn’t expect it to be, it’s one of those that you get 1 in 10 if you’re the defending team and you put your hand up to claim but never expect to get.  I do think Man U wouldn’t have got it wiped off as a goal if it had been at the other end.  It’s like the Ramsey goal/no goal against Leicester where Kasper claimed he had the hand on the ball and control.  9 times out of 10 that’s a goal but Kasper and co claimed a foul and they got it.  It’s a grey area on interpretation of rules and we seem to fall foul on it quite a lot.

[nick76]

Just now, TRO said:

I thought it could so easily be deemed he run in to Ramsey.....its one of them.

Its so easy to do, for experienced players.

Previously and he went down like he’d been shot!

[foreveryoung]

Any Gerrard interview?

[The Fun Factory]

Oh and the atmosphere was shocking. Barely a peep from 70,000 of them.

[smg]

12 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Yeah, the conspiracy stuff is making us look pretty pathetic.

We need to get our team sorted to actually defend properly and create clear chances. Hopefully Coutinho and Digne can be two big steps forward in achieving that. 

Agree with the first sentence, however we got very excited pre season about Buendia and Bailey and that hasn’t actually paid off

[andym]

16 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said:

Because they check incidents from most recent to least.  There were at least 3 things to be checked.

Did Ings use his hand

Did Watkins get a touch

We're either Watkins or Ings offside

Was Cavani unfairly blocked

 

I ask you, why was Ramsey standing 10 yards offside staring at Cavani if he wasn't put there to block him off?

He was there so Cavani has to run around him, which gives that split second for Konsa to get free. You see that sort of thing at pretty much every set piece.

Ramsey hardly moved from his lane; however Cavani being a savvy veteren realised he wasn't catching Konsa anyway so just ran straight into Ramsey and fell over. 

He gave the ref a potential reason to disallow the goal, and it worked for them. Our players could learn a thing or two from that.

Tbh though, if it was the other way around, i'd probably be screaming for a foul.

[nick76]

1 minute ago, foreveryoung said:

Any Gerrard interview?