tomsky_11 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I agree there is a a plan and there is tactics. They are just failing miserably in this league. So something needs to change right? Whether that’s players understanding what Gerrard wants them to do or Gerrard changing his approach. Either way we can’t go on like this. Where does our decent performance when playing Ings and Watkins together sit with this? Because that seems to work better. Or do we think that’s just coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Who from our squad would get in Sky 6 teams. Kamara, Emi certainly and in the squads probably Buendia, Ramsey, Carlos, Mings, Bailey, Ings(wanted by City and Spurs last summer) even Watkins is a better forward than Rashford for example I think the new thing is to build our players down when they are better than what we have seen I reckon we've got a lot more players who'd plausibly be considered squad options at top 6 teams than Newcastle, Leeds and a handful of other teams. But they're all outperforming us due to having a competent coach in charge of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: Where does our decent performance when playing Ings and Watkins together sit with this? Because that seems to work better. Or do we think that’s just coincidence? I have no idea. We seem to look a lot better when we play that way but why does he always change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 How about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a m ole Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Brumstopdogs said: I think it forces the midfield into something less ridiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Jas10 said: Nuts isn’t it. Not sure why we just can’t have defenders who defend and attackers who attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Must play central midfielders in midfield not on the bloody wings. As soon as they were closer to Kamara we played better. Gerrard needs to realise his shit system is shit and making the players look really shit. Edited August 23, 2022 by Sulberto21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: We are far better with two up top, in part because we mainly use it at home against weaker sides, and in part because its sucks way less than the dumb ass 4321 Gerrard actually wants us to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I've been thinking about it and I think that in order to play the style of football Gerrard likes, we would need more defensive solidity. Using and relying on the fullbacks for width and attacking output doesn't work in a back 4 because it essentially becomes a back 2 when attacking. For me, we'd be better off in a 3-5-2 Konsa Chambers Mings Cash Kamara Luiz Digne Buendia Watkins Coutinho This allows us to play Coutinho and Buendia in a formation that accomodates them, it gives us a much more solid base and it means the wing backs are covered better when going forward, less exposure. Obviously one of Coutinho or Buendia could make way to go 2 up top as well. This formation could have Ramsey or McGinn swap in for Kamara or Luiz too, add some headless chicken all-action midfielder chaos in the middle. You're then looking at a bench with Archer, Ings and Bailey as forward options who could help both change the game and switch style / formation. Two of the above mentioned midfielders, plus god forbid Sanson gets a nod. Augustinson and Young can play wing backs as cover and arguably Young suits that role more anyway. The only drawback I see to this, is that Gerrard hasn't played a back 3 much in his managerial career and we've got one CB out for 6 months and another just gone on loan to the championship, so we're an injury away from only having 2 CBs over 18 at the club to field. But that can be rectified before the end of the window and Kamara can play there during any crisis. I'm not a coach or so this could all be discredited if someone thinks I'm talking out my arse. I also think my judgement could be clouded by me thinking Potter is the second coming and he'd most likely have us in this shape if he managed us. I don't know why he hasn't gone for this before now to solidify us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! ****! Mental seeing it like that. Obviously the English lads aren’t picked anymore but still, all been capped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tayls said: ****! Mental seeing it like that. Obviously the English lads aren’t picked anymore but still, all been capped. Mings and Watkins are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, pacbuddies said: Mings and Watkins are. Left out the last squad though… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tayls said: Left out the last squad though… With Maguire now bench material at manure I reckon Mings may be recalled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! Too many internationals! That’s the issue. Solved it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, pacbuddies said: Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! I'm gonna go out on a limb here with absolutely no research, and assume that most Premier League Clubs in the top 10 - 15 are filled with " Internationals " though. Edited August 24, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, pacbuddies said: Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! Yup. I am Gerrard in but this is 100% correct. Just imagine if say Pep or Klopp took over that team I find it very difficult to imagine we would have had similar results after 9 or so months. I am still hopeful for West Ham. I believe Gerrard is an intelligent man who is capable of improving and capable of change. Now he has seen the fan reaction and the heat is high I believe he will do the right thing and adjust his tactics and in game management. We shall see if I am proven be to an idiot (again) this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Yup. I am Gerrard in but this is 100% correct. Just imagine if say Pep or Klopp took over that team I find it very difficult to imagine we would have had similar results after 9 or so months. I am still hopeful for West Ham. I believe Gerrard is an intelligent man who is capable of improving and capable of change. Now he has seen the fan reaction and the heat is high I believe he will do the right thing and adjust his tactics and in game management. We shall see if I am proven be to an idiot (again) this weekend. I get it, but it's a bit of a false narrative IMO. " International " is literally anyone who's ever gotten a cap. We could have Prime Ronaldo in the team, but if it's not balanced it will ultimately be shite. Not even a Gerrard defense from my angle, it just doesn't paint an accurate picture at all IMO. Would Pep or Klopp make Scottish International McGinn Rodri? Come on man. Buendia barely ever even gets off the bench. Kamara literally just got his first cap a couple of months ago. Carlos has never been capped. Ollie is a bit part England player which people moan about every week. Probably a more accurate representation of " Current" Internationals, and either way it's not this black and white. We are essentially playing FIFA or something here . https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/nationalspieler/wettbewerb/GB1 Edited August 24, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I get it, but it's a bit of a false narrative IMO. " International " is literally anyone who's ever gotten a cap. We could have Prime Ronaldo in the team, but if it's not balanced it will ultimately be shite. Not even a Gerrard defense from my angle, it just doesn't paint an accurate picture at all IMO. Would Pep or Klopp make Scottish International McGinn Rodri? Come on man. Buendia barely ever even gets off the bench. Kamara literally just got his first cap a couple of months ago. Carlos has never been capped. Ollie is a bit part England player which people moan about every week. Probably a more accurate representation of " Current" Internationals, and either way it's not this black and white. We are essentially playing FIFA or something here . https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/nationalspieler/wettbewerb/GB1 To be fair, we have 2 legitimate French internationals, 3 Brazil internationals (1 injured) and 2 Argentina internationals. The 3 strongest contenders for the World Cup I'd imagine. There are some top 6 teams like Spurs and Arsenal who can't even boast this. Spurs have 1 of each, and Arsenal are 1, 2 and 0 in that order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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