Davkaus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, pacbuddies said: Martinez - Argentinian international Cash - Polish international Digne - French international Mings - English international Carlos - Brazilian international Kamara - French international Luiz - Brazilian international McGinn - Scottish international Coutinho - Brazilian international Buendia - Argentinian international Bailey - Jamaican international Ings - English international Watkins - English international Have I missed anyone? Surely any decent manager could get a tune out of that lot! Salifou, Toganese international. Carlton Cole, Danny Drinkwater, England internationals with as many caps as Watkins and Ings. Nothing makes me cringe quite like people thinking international caps === quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Keyblade said: To be fair, we have 2 legitimate French internationals, 3 Brazil internationals (1 injured) and 2 Argentina internationals. The 3 strongest contenders for the World Cup I'd imagine. There are some top 6 teams like Spurs and Arsenal who can't even boast this. Spurs have 1 of each, and Arsenal are 1, 2 and 0 in that order. Wesley is on loan not injured Carlos has never been capped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Wesley is on loan not injured Carlos has never been capped Carlos! Oh wait, seriously? I thought he played in the Olympics? Edited August 24, 2022 by Keyblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Wesley is on loan not injured Carlos has never been capped And Luiz is a reserve, who earned most of his caps in the Olympics. Buendia has a single cap, in a world cup qualifier. People are obsessed with the international prowess of our players, and it's a bit silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Carlos! Oh wait, seriously? I thought he played in the Olympics? it doesnt count as a full cap as under 23 tournament with overage players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Keyblade said: To be fair, we have 2 legitimate French internationals, 3 Brazil internationals (1 injured) and 2 Argentina internationals. The 3 strongest contenders for the World Cup I'd imagine. There are some top 6 teams like Spurs and Arsenal who can't even boast this. Spurs have 1 of each, and Arsenal are 1, 2 and 0 in that order. Do you really believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Do you really believe this? What, that we have a strong lineup of internationals now? Or that those 3 teams are the top contenders? We've added most of those players in the last 12 months. It's a bit different from when some of our starters weren't even internationals at all a couple of years ago, or if they were it was for uh Ireland and Burkina Faso. Our lineup at the weekend had 1 non-international (Konsa) and 1 U21 International (Ramsey). The rest either played for England, Argentina, France, Brazil or...Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Please, just try it Gerrard. Ings Coutinho Buendia Bailey Kamara Luiz Digne Chambers Mings Cash Martinez Edited August 24, 2022 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Salifou, Toganese international. Carlton Cole, Danny Drinkwater, England internationals with as many caps as Watkins and Ings. Nothing makes me cringe quite like people thinking international caps === quality. We had plenty of “international experience” in 2016 as well, it sure helped. Brad Guzan - USA international Micah Richards - England international Jores Okore - Denmark international Ciaran Clarke - Irish International Joleon Lescott - England international Alan Hutton - Scottish international Aly Cisshokho - France international Idressa Gueye - Senegal international Kieran Richardson - England international Carlos Sanchez - Colombian international Charles N’Zogbia - France international Gabriel Agbonlahor - England international Jordan Ayew - Ghana international Liber Kozak - Czech international 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, duke313 said: We had plenty of “international experience” in 2016 as well, it sure helped. Brad Guzan - USA international Micah Richards - England international Ciaran Clarke - Irish International Joleon Lescott - England international Alan Hutton - Scottish international Aly Cisshokho - France international Idressa Gueye - Senegal international Kieran Richardson - England international Carlos Sanchez - Colombian international Charles N’Zogbia - France international Gabriel Agbonlahor - England international Jordan Ayew - Ghana international Liber Kozak - Czech international 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 After the shitshow Chambers put in yesterday, **** it,all is forgiven Konsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, duke313 said: We had plenty of “international experience” in 2016 as well, it sure helped. Brad Guzan - USA international Micah Richards - England international Jores Okore - Denmark international Ciaran Clarke - Irish International Joleon Lescott - England international Alan Hutton - Scottish international Aly Cisshokho - France international Idressa Gueye - Senegal international Kieran Richardson - England international Carlos Sanchez - Colombian international Charles N’Zogbia - France international Gabriel Agbonlahor - England international Jordan Ayew - Ghana international Liber Kozak - Czech international Really stretching the term international there. Gabby, N'Zogbia and Cissokho's most recent caps for example (6 between them by the way) were 5 years before that. By contrast, Lucas Digne and Boubacar Kamara both started in France's most recent competitive game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 On 24/08/2022 at 00:03, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: How about? The Red Bull formation! Supposed to be effective for intense gegenpressing, with the front six relatively narrow and hard to play through. We tend to press high maybe one game in five, maybe it’s time? I quite like those player selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted August 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Really stretching the term international there. Gabby, N'Zogbia and Cissokho's most recent caps for example (6 between them by the way) were 5 years before that. By contrast, Lucas Digne and Boubacar Kamara both started in France's most recent competitive game. Do Bailey's caps say anything about his quality? They are like a league 1 side, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) If folks dont like the OP's reference to internationals then just remove the international bit. Are these players under achieving or over achieving given their ability? Its all opinions of course but I say under achieving. I think they have more to give and I think improved coaching will help that. I hope and want Gerrard and team to be that improved coaching but I think other fans can ask the reasonable question of, how much time more do you want to give him? Fwiw I am going game by game, which is bad. I am looking for improvement. I saw some against Bolton, but its Bolton. I also think Gabby has a point when he compares Gerrard to Moyes and Klopp this season* and how our two losses are not entirely unexpected for any PL team. * which I accept is a bit silly because Klopp and Moyes have a far greater track record than Gerrard but his overall point was reasonable imho. Edited August 25, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: If folks dont like the OP's reference to internationals then just remove the international bit. Are these players under achieving or over achieving given their ability? Its all opinions of course but I say under achieving. I think they have more to give and I think improved coaching will help that. I hope and want Gerrard and team to be that improved coaching but I think other fans can ask the reasonable question of, how much time more do you want to give him? Fwiw I am going game by game, which is bad. I am looking for improvement. I saw some against Bolton, but its Bolton. I also think Gabby has a point when he compares Gerrard to Moyes and Klopp this season* and how our two losses are not entirely unexpected for any PL team. * which I accept is a bit silly because Klopp and Moyes have a far greater track record than Gerrard but his overall point was reasonable imho. Results in isolation aren't the problem really. It's the performances which haven't been up to par. Then when combined with poor results it gets bad. If we were losing but playing really well, there'd be a lot more patience. Conversely, we went unbeaten in preseason, but we just didn't look very good. The warning signs were there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Aren’t we in the top 5/6 for possession after these opening three games? Have we focussed on keeping the ball but still suck massively without it? I don’t see any signs of gegenpressing from our lot any time soon, will be too much effort! Edited August 25, 2022 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Tayls said: Aren’t we in the top 5/6 for possession after these opening three games? Have we focussed on keeping the ball but still suck massively without it? Well Bournemouth and Everton just gave us the ball and defended deep and we looked clueless. I dont think it's something we have worked or focused on specifically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Edited August 25, 2022 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2022 I think lots of teams use their fullbacks to attack and for width… Gerrard hasn’t invented this style of attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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