MaVilla Posted September 1, 2022 Author Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) Gotta be this for me, im picking for the "balanced team" aspect. Mings - 6ft 4 Bednarek - 6ft 2 Dendoncker - 6ft 2 Offers much more physicality and aerial control in the defensive area's. Kamara can do his thing knowing Dendoncker and the DC's behind him can cover/break play up adequately. I know i didnt pick Luiz, but its about balance for me, i would go Kamara or Luiz alongside Dendoncker for the overall balance, we could go Luiz/Kamara "if" we didnt consider the opposition team a threat from long balls/crosses/corners etc etc, but i still like the balance of a physical DM alongside a progressive DM in a pivot. you know Gerrard wont play 4231 tho, or maybe even start Dendoncker and Bednarek, they could just be bench warmers or Sanson mk.2 and mk.3 for all i know, i have given up trying to second guess Gerrard's idiocy. I also like this, could swap Bailey in for either Couts or Buendia in a 343 type: Or this, but a proper 433, not the shi**y Gerrard version, again, Couts could sway for Bailey or Buendia as required: you know its gonna be this 433 Gerrard nonsense tho.......arrrrghhh.. Edited September 1, 2022 by MaVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Gotta be this for me, im picking for the "balanced team" aspect. Mings - 6ft 4 Bednarek - 6ft 2 Dendoncker - 6ft 2 Offers much more physicality and aerial control in the defensive area's. Kamara can do his thing knowing Dendoncker and the DC's behind him can cover/break play up adequately. I know i didnt pick Luiz, but its about balance for me, i would go Kamara or Luiz alongside Dendoncker for the overall balance, we could go Luiz/Kamara "if" we didnt consider the opposition team a threat from long balls/crosses/corners etc etc, but i still like the balance of a physical DM alongside a progressive DM in a pivot. you know Gerrard wont play 4231 tho, or maybe even start Dendoncker and Bednarek, they could just be bench warmers or Sanson mk.2 and mk.3 for all i know, i have given up trying to second guess Gerrard's idiocy. I also like this, could swap Bailey in for either Couts or Buendia in a 343 type: The Dendoncker signing is interesting and does signal something different may be tried. Either a double pivot or 3 at the back. I think everyone would welcome a different approach and this signing may give us that flexibility that we didn't quite have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SuffolkVillan said: I agree, both signings are pragmatic and Dendonker certainly isn't a Gerrard type signing. God forbid we might actually play 4231 now. Dont be silly, 4231 is a recognized standard formation the players would understand. Next thing you will be telling me is we will play our full backs in position. Madness. Edited September 2, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, MaVilla said: Gotta be this for me, im picking for the "balanced team" aspect. Mings - 6ft 4 Bednarek - 6ft 2 Dendoncker - 6ft 2 Offers much more physicality and aerial control in the defensive area's. Kamara can do his thing knowing Dendoncker and the DC's behind him can cover/break play up adequately. I know i didnt pick Luiz, but its about balance for me, i would go Kamara or Luiz alongside Dendoncker for the overall balance, we could go Luiz/Kamara "if" we didnt consider the opposition team a threat from long balls/crosses/corners etc etc, but i still like the balance of a physical DM alongside a progressive DM in a pivot. you know Gerrard wont play 4231 tho, or maybe even start Dendoncker and Bednarek, they could just be bench warmers or Sanson mk.2 and mk.3 for all i know, i have given up trying to second guess Gerrard's idiocy. I also like this, could swap Bailey in for either Couts or Buendia in a 343 type: Or this, but a proper 433, not the shi**y Gerrard version, again, Couts could sway for Bailey or Buendia as required: you know its gonna be this 433 Gerrard nonsense tho.......arrrrghhh.. All interesting options for the next manager. Gerrard will still try and get his ramsey and mcginn combo in though. If he didn't make mcginn captain then i could see him maybe trying the 3rd option.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Something like this for the matchday squads. Should be getting us higher than 19th. Martinez, Olsen, Cash, Young, Bendnarek, Mings, Chambers, Digne, Augustinsson, Kamara, Luiz, Dendoncker, McGinn, Ramsey, Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Ings, Watkins, Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobs Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Dendoncker always came across as more of a box to box midfielder when I’ve watched wolves. Seemed like he had a decent goal scoring record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Didn’t think I’d ever say it…. But I can’t wait to see a double pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Coutinho looks miles off a Premier League player right now so shouldn't be near the starting lineup. Buendia should play but out wide as he isn't strong enough to hold the ball against the bigger players he faces through the middle. With those in mind I would play something like this from now on: ----------------------Martinez--------------------- Cash-----Chambers---Mings----Digne -----------Dendoncker------Kamara--------- Bailey-----------------Luiz------------Buendia ------------------------Watkins--------------------- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 It's odd really. At times during the start of his reign, Gerrard set us up as very deep and compact whilst hitting teams on the counter. We were relatively successful in matches where we styled ourselves like that as well. It's astonishing really that he hasn't had us doing that more often when we've been on a run of poor results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuffolkVillan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Villarocker said: Coutinho looks miles off a Premier League player right now so shouldn't be near the starting lineup. Buendia should play but out wide as he isn't strong enough to hold the ball against the bigger players he faces through the middle. With those in mind I would play something like this from now on: ----------------------Martinez--------------------- Cash-----Chambers---Mings----Digne -----------Dendoncker------Kamara--------- Bailey-----------------Luiz------------Buendia ------------------------Watkins--------------------- That would be my team aswell. Depending on who we are playing it can easily be 4-3-3 with Luis as a proper 8 and Bailey and Buendia further up as wide forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Villarocker said: Coutinho looks miles off a Premier League player right now so shouldn't be near the starting lineup. Buendia should play but out wide as he isn't strong enough to hold the ball against the bigger players he faces through the middle. With those in mind I would play something like this from now on: ----------------------Martinez--------------------- Cash-----Chambers---Mings----Digne -----------Dendoncker------Kamara--------- Bailey-----------------Luiz------------Buendia ------------------------Watkins--------------------- I was also thinking along these lines. our Midfield has been non-existent of late, so this would/could be a better mix. I would switch Bailey and Buendia, according to transfermarkt Buendia prefers the right and Bailey the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 What’s telling on this page alone is the fact our captain isn’t in any of those line ups above. Why he was given the armband is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Villarocker said: Coutinho looks miles off a Premier League player right now so shouldn't be near the starting lineup. Buendia should play but out wide as he isn't strong enough to hold the ball against the bigger players he faces through the middle. With those in mind I would play something like this from now on: ----------------------Martinez--------------------- Cash-----Chambers---Mings----Digne -----------Dendoncker------Kamara--------- Bailey-----------------Luiz------------Buendia ------------------------Watkins--------------------- Like that, requires a managerial change to see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I think I’d have Ramsey as a deep lying 10/8 with Dendonker/Kamara as the double pivot, mainly for his progressive carries. Luiz might also work slightly further forward than normal. Buendia right, coming back to help out, out of position, Watkins and Bailey (left) running the channels for any counter attacking opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I hope we now finally tweak the system. We have a back 4 we can now have settled. Bednarek in for Konsa. They remain the same now consistently selected. The tweaks needed to be made are based around two formations. The first is the 4 2 3 1. Two from Kamara, Dendoncker and Luiz to pick from as the 6s. JJ or McGinn as the AMC as we need the goal threat they can bring and JJ making driving runs into the box is a great threat. We then pick two from Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey as our wide players. We employ the steering wheel approach to the full backs if one goes forward for the overlap the other stays back to make a 3 with the two 6s for a 2 3 5 shape in attack. The next is a 4 3 3 where the width comes from the wide forwards. The midfield three either consists of two attacking 8s and one 6, so JJ, Kamara, McGinn or one box to box 8 and two 6s. JJ, Kamara Dendoncker. The full backs can overlap or tuck into Midfield depending on if one or two of the Midfielders have joined the attack. This keeps the 2 3 5 shape in attack. The benefits of these formations is we play to the strengths of our Midfielders, picking 6s to be solid defensively and 8s to provide attacking threat. It allows faster attack transition as we don't need to build up so slowly as we get our full backs up to provide attacking width. We are also caught out less in the channels and space behind our full backs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 MaVilla first option looks on paper our best line up, with maybe Chambers ahead of Bednarek. Of course Gerrard wouldn't do that as it doesn't have captain fantastic in the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 hours ago, MaVilla said: Gotta be this for me, im picking for the "balanced team" aspect. Mings - 6ft 4 Bednarek - 6ft 2 Dendoncker - 6ft 2 Offers much more physicality and aerial control in the defensive area's. Kamara can do his thing knowing Dendoncker and the DC's behind him can cover/break play up adequately. I know i didnt pick Luiz, but its about balance for me, i would go Kamara or Luiz alongside Dendoncker for the overall balance, we could go Luiz/Kamara "if" we didnt consider the opposition team a threat from long balls/crosses/corners etc etc, but i still like the balance of a physical DM alongside a progressive DM in a pivot. you know Gerrard wont play 4231 tho, or maybe even start Dendoncker and Bednarek, they could just be bench warmers or Sanson mk.2 and mk.3 for all i know, i have given up trying to second guess Gerrard's idiocy. I also like this, could swap Bailey in for either Couts or Buendia in a 343 type: Or this, but a proper 433, not the shi**y Gerrard version, again, Couts could sway for Bailey or Buendia as required: you know its gonna be this 433 Gerrard nonsense tho.......arrrrghhh.. Look good teams but 1 glaring issue, no McGinn, he is Gerrard's crown Jewel, he wont drop him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I’m not sure on a double pivot with Kamara and Dendoncker as some are suggesting. Both are out and out ball winning defensive midfielders and putting them together they’d both probably want to occupy the same areas of the pitch at the same time, and it would be pretty negative in possession. More realistically a double pivot would work with Luiz who likes to drop deep but is more comfortable in possession and would provide a better link with the defensive units and the more advanced units. But we’ve seen enough of Gerrard now to know he isn’t going to play that way anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) I'm predicting this depressing front 6 for the City game (Dendoncker in if his sore throat isn't a factor, Luiz if it is): Ings Watkins Coutinho McGinn Luiz/Dendoncker Kamara Edited September 2, 2022 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 hours ago, MaVilla said: I also like this, could swap Bailey in for either Couts or Buendia in a 343 type: Dendoncker in for Chambers and Luiz into the middle alongside Kamara would be a good option too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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