Please tell me when to stop laughing at SHA

[VillaJ100]

Now we just need the efl to find more ffp breaking and will obviously have to implement the 6 point penalty mid season like last time, but this time to ensure oblivion

[blunther]

2 hours ago, ender4 said:

I think it’s massive.

Premier League - £100m minimum 

Championship - around £10m (10% of Premier League)

League One - £1m maximum (10% of Championship)

Oh, good! 

[leighavfc]

 

10 hours ago, Greenfly said:

I believe they were above us with a genuine shot at the playoffs, while we were floundering and looked dead in the water. That game changed both our fortunes.

I also like to believe it was all because of that slimey little word removed too. It brings me some joy.

It was the Derby 4-0 game before them wasn't it? But even so to have them in the 10 game run was just brilliant... to top it off we beat the numptys the other side of town too made it the perfect scenario as a Villa fan that season.

[TrentVilla]

10 hours ago, blunther said:

What is the financial impact of dropping to league one? Is there much? Not like dropping from PL to Championship with the TV money after all. 

I've kind of given up trying to understand the finances of Birmingham, they are intentionally convoluted and largely without reason but in short, the impact will be damaging.

You are right the drop in revenue from Championship to League One isn't as great as it is when you drop from the Premier League to the Championship but that really is only part of the story.

For a start when you drop from the PL to the Championship you have the safety net of the parachute payments, that net doesn't exist when you fall from the Championship.

Sunderland went straight from the Premier League through the Championship and into League One without passing go but they took the parachute payments with them.

Small Heath don't have that additional income to cushion their fall.

In terms of the drop in TV revenue they are probably looking at a drop of circa £7m to £1.5m, not a huge amount in comparison to the drop from top flight to the Champ but as a proportion of clubs income that is significant.

Then you have the drop in matchday revenue (although they've obviously not had that this season) with reduced crowds, something which could be made even more severe by the current closure of two stands.

So if they go down they are looking at a significant drop in income which given that not so long ago they were spending £1.30 on wages for every £1.00 of income is a major major problem.

That is before you take into account the circa £100m debt....

Oh and then to further complicate things there is also a wage cap in League One which limits wage expenditure. Now that has caveats for teams dropping from the Championship but will have an impact particularly if they fail to bounce back first time of asking, there are some big clubs in League One who have found it a difficult league to escape.

So no finances of the drop don't compare to the drop from the Premier League but the impact particularly in their case could be so much more severe.

Huge few months for them, their fans collectively seem to be largely unaware that things could get a whole lot worse.

 

[Jimzk5]

4 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

Huge few months for them, their fans collectively seem to be largely unaware that things could get a whole lot worse.

 

Looking on sha they genuinely believe that squad is capable of pushing for the play offs but is just poorly managed, a view they've had under every manager since they sack lee Clarke

It must take either some big rose tinted glasses or a lot of drugs to look at that squad and think its capable of finishing in the play offs.

[TrentVilla]

6 minutes ago, Jimzk5 said:

Looking on sha they genuinely believe that squad is capable of pushing for the play offs but is just poorly managed, a view they've had under every manager since they sack lee Clarke

It must take either some big rose tinted glasses or a lot of drugs to look at that squad and think its capable of finishing in the play offs.

A lot seem to think that if they go down it could be a good thing as they would get rid of their owners, they are deluded.

[MaVilla]

23 hours ago, tomav84 said:

Had a quick look myself. Found one for the scrapbook:

 

 

14 hours ago, Greenfly said:

I can't imagine this mentality. If someone told me I could press a button that would make it so Villa miraculously wins the PL, but with the caveat that SHA wins promotion, I'd slap that button so hard it'd break.

Villa succeeding is all that matters. Their failure is funny, but ultimately I don't give a shit what they do as long as they're below us.

i think the mentality is easy to understand tbh.

When you are in the bottom 3 and never ever have a genuine chance of the playoffs, its easy to say you would swap it for something negative to happen to your rivals, basically because they are such a nothing club the thought of hoping for promotion is kinda like waiting for hell to freeze over.

Its basically small brain mentality for fans of a club that are failing and have zero chance of success, so wishing for bad things to happen to others, rather than the non existent hope of your own success......is kinda just the bastion of the total loser. (which makes perfect sense)

[mjmooney]

40 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

Huge few months for them, their fans collectively seem to be largely unaware that things could get a whole lot worse.

They're not very bright. 

[OutByEaster?]

Relegation will be weird for them - as a business, it won't bother their owners very much at all, they don't make money out of the football club through football, they make money through the company existing as a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange which enables them to leverage debt against it and come out of that process with money, as long as the club exists and plays football, how well they play that football doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Those owners don't give a flying one for what happens in the city of Birmingham, that's not their interest, they aren't going to sell up, this is their cash cow (debt cow?), they're going to keep milking it until it collapses - relegation doesn't hurt the owners much, in fact it probably means they have to spend less in order to keep the club ticking over.

With some of the things that were linked through from the excellent blog on their finances that @TrentVilla linked to over the last few pages, being good or bad at football is the least of their worries. They're a club slowly being manipulated through financial markets for profit by a somewhat questionable ownership group and there's no real clue what those owners will do with the bones once there's no more money in that.

 

[rjw63]

3 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Relegation will be weird for them - as a business, it won't bother their owners very much at all, they don't make money out of the football club through football, they make money through the company existing as a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange which enables them to leverage debt against it and come out of that process with money, as long as the club exists and plays football, how well they play that football doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Those owners don't give a flying one for what happens in the city of Birmingham, that's not their interest, they aren't going to sell up, this is their cash cow (debt cow?), they're going to keep milking it until it collapses - relegation doesn't hurt the owners much, in fact it probably means they have to spend less in order to keep the club ticking over.

With some of the things that were linked through from the excellent blog on their finances that @TrentVilla linked to over the last few pages, being good or bad at football is the least of their worries. They're a club slowly being manipulated through financial markets for profit by a somewhat questionable ownership group and there's no real clue what those owners will do with the bones once there's no more money in that.

 

[Greenfly]

6 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Relegation will be weird for them - as a business, it won't bother their owners very much at all, they don't make money out of the football club through football, they make money through the company existing as a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange which enables them to leverage debt against it and come out of that process with money, as long as the club exists and plays football, how well they play that football doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Those owners don't give a flying one for what happens in the city of Birmingham, that's not their interest, they aren't going to sell up, this is their cash cow (debt cow?), they're going to keep milking it until it collapses - relegation doesn't hurt the owners much, in fact it probably means they have to spend less in order to keep the club ticking over.

With some of the things that were linked through from the excellent blog on their finances that @TrentVilla linked to over the last few pages, being good or bad at football is the least of their worries. They're a club slowly being manipulated through financial markets for profit by a somewhat questionable ownership group and there's no real clue what those owners will do with the bones once there's no more money in that.

 

I know it's happening to SHA all that, but the fact that a football club can end up in such a dire situation when there's supposed to be ownership tests is really damning for the EFL.

[turnbull]

It's kind of ironic that both residents of the small heath shithole have really dodgy owners. Keeps all the crap in one place.

[Demitri_C]

You didnt think they could get any worse than yeung could you? Only the blosers could find people even worse.

Remember when yeung said during his 1st press conference they had 50m to spend on players. Then when they were making offers on players all the sides knew they had a big budget and wanted rocket prices. Then it all went to shit as they couldnt afford the players because yeung stupidly told everyone publicly their budget

[Follyfoot]

9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Relegation will be weird for them - as a business, it won't bother their owners very much at all, they don't make money out of the football club through football, they make money through the company existing as a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange which enables them to leverage debt against it and come out of that process with money, as long as the club exists and plays football, how well they play that football doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Those owners don't give a flying one for what happens in the city of Birmingham, that's not their interest, they aren't going to sell up, this is their cash cow (debt cow?), they're going to keep milking it until it collapses - relegation doesn't hurt the owners much, in fact it probably means they have to spend less in order to keep the club ticking over.

With some of the things that were linked through from the excellent blog on their finances that @TrentVilla linked to over the last few pages, being good or bad at football is the least of their worries. They're a club slowly being manipulated through financial markets for profit by a somewhat questionable ownership group and there's no real clue what those owners will do with the bones once there's no more money in that.

 

Do you know how they Leverage the debt against it?

[TrentVilla]

9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Relegation will be weird for them - as a business, it won't bother their owners very much at all, they don't make money out of the football club through football, they make money through the company existing as a listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange which enables them to leverage debt against it and come out of that process with money, as long as the club exists and plays football, how well they play that football doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Those owners don't give a flying one for what happens in the city of Birmingham, that's not their interest, they aren't going to sell up, this is their cash cow (debt cow?), they're going to keep milking it until it collapses - relegation doesn't hurt the owners much, in fact it probably means they have to spend less in order to keep the club ticking over.

With some of the things that were linked through from the excellent blog on their finances that @TrentVilla linked to over the last few pages, being good or bad at football is the least of their worries. They're a club slowly being manipulated through financial markets for profit by a somewhat questionable ownership group and there's no real clue what those owners will do with the bones once there's no more money in that.

 

I know that guys blog is excellent but there is still something about his theory that doesn’t make sense. Based on his theory they make money regardless of what happens on the pitch, well if that is the case why have they spent so much?

They have spent a lot of money on players, salaries and managers, badly obviously but they aren’t in the mess they are in through lack of investment.

So I don’t really accept the idea that the club is purely a vehicle for the debt and the HKSE as their actions as owners don’t fit with that at all.

 

[Raver50032]

Bwuhahahahaha.

 

[mottaloo]

On sha.com a thread has been started, called Ian Danter Twitter where some are calling for blose plight to be made national news like charlton and bury !

High profile blose fans like Danter (part time radio broadcaster), Mike "the streets" Skinner....and....wait for it......the real big hitter here....the lad who played one of the twins in Harry Potter films  who they've seen at away games (proppa blose, mate) !!

In fairness one or two have shouted them down but **** me, if that ain't funny on a grey and cold Monday morning then nothing is !

[bannedfromHandV]

7 minutes ago, mottaloo said:

On sha.com a thread has been started, called Ian Danter Twitter where some are calling for blose plight to be made national news like charlton and bury !

High profile blose fans like Danter (part time radio broadcaster), Mike "the streets" Skinner....and....wait for it......the real big hitter here....the lad who played one of the twins in Harry Potter films  who they've seen at away games (proppa blose, mate) !!

In fairness one or two have shouted them down but **** me, if that ain't funny on a grey and cold Monday morning then nothing is !

I thought the Harry Potter twins were villa fans.....one of them is for sure.

 

edit - just looked it up, one supports Villa and the other is insane.

Edited February 8, 2021 by bannedfromHandV

[AndyClarke]

2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I thought the Harry Potter twins were villa fans.....one of them is for sure.

One of each.

[It's Your Round]

There’s always one twin that inevitably gets starved of oxygen and nutrients in the womb.