sir_gary_cahill Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Paul33 said: Really, really, really hope to be proved wrong on this one but I fear Traore could be this year's Summer Donkey signing ...... everything about him suggests a new Andre Green ! Why do you say that Paul33? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: Why do you say that Paul33? Just watching various You Tube clips and reading comments from those who have watched him in recent seasons ...... who, of course, may just be bitter about his departure. Talk is of inconsistency and lack of confidence which was Green's big issue. Like I say, hope I'm wrong and even if I'm right then who is to say a good manager and coaching team can't bring the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Paul33 said: Really, really, really hope to be proved wrong on this one but I fear Traore could be this year's Summer Donkey signing ...... everything about him suggests a new Andre Green ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Paul33 said: Just watching various You Tube clips and reading comments from those who have watched him in recent seasons ...... who, of course, may just be bitter about his departure. Talk is of inconsistency and lack of confidence which was Green's big issue. Like I say, hope I'm wrong and even if I'm right then who is to say a good manager and coaching team can't bring the best out of him. Same concerns I have, but I'm slightly further up the optimism scale as I do think we have a setup now that is in a much better shape to deal with these challenges. He's also played champions league football and for top teams across Europe so got to believe his natural ability is a step beyond what Green's was/is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 If he can't play tonight because of international clearance, then I hope we at least bring him onto the pitch at half-time to give the fans in the stadium a boost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dave-R said: That gif is great 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur Hazdazler Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Apparently he’s lacking match fitness so I wouldn’t expect a start today. Perhaps in the cup later this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: That gif is great Just type in (street fighter) mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I hope his pace stretches the opponent meaning more space for Grealish to work in and take on defenders. He may well be best described as mercurial. He may frustrate but also deliver on occasion. Hopefully we can get a level of consistently good production out of him and if we do will prove to be good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shomin Geki Posted September 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Adam2003 said: Curious what you mean here. As I see it he’s very clearly looking to build a team with a defined but mobile striker, two goalscoring forwards playing on their ‘inverted’ foot and focused on getting goals, with the width coming from full backs, and between those lines of attack a hardworking midfield of technically good and creative players. Whether he’s getting it right we will see but I think that’s definitely the intention. Yeah, this is far more succinct and pointed than what I've stated. I absolutely believe this is what Smith is aiming for, broadly speaking. However, I guess I'm focusing somewhat beyond a general systematic approach, essential as that is. I think there are two relevant factors to consider. Firstly, as much as I was thrilled at Villa's gung-ho sturm und drang in many of the early Premier League games, Smith obviously felt the need to modify that later on, including the experiments with more of a 532 and the greater emphasis on defence and organisation post-restart. He's frequently mentioned both himself and his team learning as they go along, experience, perhaps for himself as much as his players, a key virtue. What I'm curious about, or maybe simply excited and intrigued (which may have given the impression of a greater sense of concern than was intended), is the intended ceiling of what is very much a work in progress. Villa didn't click as they might have last season and some of our best work has been more reactive and shrewd, and less aggressively assertive. The question I find intriguing is, I guess, that gap between what our expectations are if we flourish as fruitfully as intended, and what Smith and co can do to mould us appropriately as we undergo several further baptisms and challenges. We're still a relatively new, 'ungelled' machine and we've seen that ambitious intentions don't necessarily work out as Smith would like in reality. I believe him and his team, still learning, still thinking somewhat on their feet, have a certain, deliberate, maybe even necessary, in-built flexibility and I'm curious to see how this is exercised. You sometimes got a sense of what Villa were really trying to do last season, but not always accomplishing, and there was a more cautious, conservative application at times. I think what I'm wondering is how far we will go in fulfilling our obviously exciting potential. I know we're a massive side but I still find it impressive, if not a little daunting, how bold our approach seems to be for something of a new kid on the block. If we didn't quite do a Fulham last year, who or what exactly are we doing? And secondly, clearly a lot of thought and planning has gone into our recruitment. Real attention to detail, and seemingly a decent array of voices considered too. The focus on personalities, for example, team cohesion, Smith's mantra of 'being a good teammate', coupled with a more data-driven approach, strikes me as refreshingly progressive, maybe even bold and daring. It's certainly not the conservatism of a solid, rigid system, 'playing the percentages', or a reliance on big names or proven quality. We don't, to our absolute credit, seem to be doing things 'the easy way', if indeed there is an 'easy way' to get things done in our current position. I'm not sure what a typical Smith Villa player is at this moment. I'm intrigued by what a quintessential Smith Villa move, or goal, would look like. The fact that there are discussions about what the best position for Luiz might be, or indeed Watkins or Traore, leaves plenty of work for us to watch unfold. Work I'm nervous about us accomplishing but very excited to see attempted. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Shomin Geki said: Yeah, this is far more succinct and pointed than what I've stated. I absolutely believe this is what Smith is aiming for, broadly speaking. However, I guess I'm focusing somewhat beyond a general systematic approach, essential as that is. I think there are two relevant factors to consider. Firstly, as much as I was thrilled at Villa's gung-ho sturm und drang in many of the early Premier League games, Smith obviously felt the need to modify that later on, including the experiments with more of a 532 and the greater emphasis on defence and organisation post-restart. He's frequently mentioned both himself and his team learning as they go along, experience, perhaps for himself as much as his players, a key virtue. What I'm curious about, or maybe simply excited and intrigued (which may have given the impression of a greater sense of concern than was intended), is the intended ceiling of what is very much a work in progress. Villa didn't click as they might have last season and some of our best work has been more reactive and shrewd, and less aggressively assertive. The question I find intriguing is, I guess, that gap between what our expectations are if we flourish as fruitfully as intended, and what Smith and co can do to mould us appropriately as we undergo several further baptisms and challenges. We're still a relatively new, 'ungelled' machine and we've seen that ambitious intentions don't necessarily work out as Smith would like in reality. I believe him and his team, still learning, still thinking somewhat on their feet, have a certain, deliberate, maybe even necessary, in-built flexibility and I'm curious to see how this is exercised. You sometimes got a sense of what Villa were really trying to do last season, but not always accomplishing, and there was a more cautious, conservative application at times. I think what I'm wondering is how far we will go in fulfilling our obviously exciting potential. I know we're a massive side but I still find it impressive, if not a little daunting, how bold our approach seems to be for something of a new kid on the block. If we didn't quite do a Fulham last year, who or what exactly are we doing? And secondly, clearly a lot of thought and planning has gone into our recruitment. Real attention to detail, and seemingly a decent array of voices considered too. The focus on personalities, for example, team cohesion, Smith's mantra of 'being a good teammate', coupled with a more data-driven approach, strikes me as refreshingly progressive, maybe even bold and daring. It's certainly not the conservatism of a solid, rigid system, 'playing the percentages', or a reliance on big names or proven quality. We don't, to our absolute credit, seem to be doing things 'the easy way', if indeed there is an 'easy way' to get things done in our current position. I'm not sure what a typical Smith Villa player is at this moment. I'm intrigued by what a quintessential Smith Villa move, or goal, would look like. The fact that there are discussions about what the best position for Luiz might be, or indeed Watkins or Traore, leaves plenty of work for us to watch unfold. Work I'm nervous about us accomplishing but very excited to see attempted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yayoboy Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 hours ago, MentalM said: Just saying that Balotelli, Antonio and Carroll has scored many goals in PL, none of those have great decision making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Paul33 said: Just watching various You Tube clips and reading comments from those who have watched him in recent seasons ...... who, of course, may just be bitter about his departure. Talk is of inconsistency and lack of confidence which was Green's big issue. Like I say, hope I'm wrong and even if I'm right then who is to say a good manager and coaching team can't bring the best out of him. Don't see the comparison. Green: Traore: Edited September 21, 2020 by Jas10 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Dave-R said: Woah! Is this a thing? I want to watch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, MrBlack said: Same concerns I have, but I'm slightly further up the optimism scale as I do think we have a setup now that is in a much better shape to deal with these challenges. He's also played champions league football and for top teams across Europe so got to believe his natural ability is a step beyond what Green's was/is. I’d say a few hundred steps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_1989 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Don't see the comparison. Green: Traore: Sure hope he’s not another Andre Green. I doubt he can be as bad. Feel optimistic about him to be honest. Edited September 21, 2020 by Mark_1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mark_1989 said: Sure hope he’s not another Andre Green. I doubt he can be as bad. Feel optimistic about him to be honest. The zero: return for Aston Villa is telling part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Not in the squad tonight bit disappointed but understandable, hope to see him in the cup v Bristol City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Not in the squad tonight bit disappointed but understandable, hope to see him in the cup v Bristol City Didn’t sign in time to play! He needed to have signed by 12pm on Friday but missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Traore rocking that diamond encrusted watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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