paul514 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, fightoffyour said: It's not clear because it's not clear, hence why I asked, but either: you are talking about selling a player for £100m and buying 5 x £20m players - it goes without saying that this is affordable in an FFP sesnese or otherwise, but how do £20m players in general (obviously free transfers like Kamara aside) improve our first 11?; or you are talking about selling a player for £100m and buying 5 x £100m players - this is affordable FFP wise (ignoring the £400m excess bankroll required) in the year that you sell the player because the amortisation costs that year would be 5 x £20m, but what happens for the next 4 years after that when you don't have the original player sale? The post you are referring to is referring to another right by it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: You’d assume that’s exactly why Heck has been brought in I think it also explains why the deal with Atairos (and by implication Comcast) was in the terms of a share of the ownership of the club (through VSports) rather than a commercial / consultancy fee. NSWE aren't short of cash so it didn't feel like they needed extra financial support. So therefore there has to be a reason why they gave away a share of the club and why Atairos/Comcast would lay down a good chunk of cash rather than just hand over a large invoice for their work and expertise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: The amount of deadwood taking up a large chunk of those wages is the most frustrating part. That should change soon though. I was all for him staying this season but Digne simply has to go I'm afraid, he's on an insane wage considering what Everton pay their regulars so that's unsustainable. Hopefully get Coutinho off the books full time but that's a "hopefully" I'd say. 89% is never healthy, wasn't in the MON era when the percentage was similar, isn't now either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I was all for him staying this season but Digne simply has to go I'm afraid, he's on an insane wage considering what Everton pay their regulars so that's unsustainable. Hopefully get Coutinho off the books full time but that's a "hopefully" I'd say. 89% is never healthy, wasn't in the MON era when the percentage was similar, isn't now either. And this coming 2024/25 season, UEFA rules say our wage bill has to be a maximum of 80%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, ender4 said: And this coming 2024/25 season, UEFA rules say our wage bill has to be a maximum of 80%. I think with that we just won't register some of Sanson, Digne, Chambers, Coutinho if they're still here past the Uefa deadline so that would surely drop back down past 80%. If it dosen't then a sale of a high wage earner is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Does the Villa woman team also count towards FFP? Or is this mens FFP only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, Pongo Waring said: Does the Villa woman team also count towards FFP? Or is this mens FFP only? Women, Youth, Community and Infrastructure all exempt from FFP / PSR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House 2022 2023 2024 Match Day 16.1 18.7 26 Broadcast 123.2 152.5 175 Commercial 26.4 30.1 60 Sponsorship 12.7 16.3 Income 178.4 217.6 261 Wages -137 -194.2 -194.2 Other Costs -41.9 -66.4 -66.4 Player Amort -82.5 -92.5 -92.5 Depreceiation -3.5 -4 0 Non-Recurring income/cost -9.8 -2.1 0 Gain on player sales 97.4 22 40 Exepenses -177.3 -337.2 -313.1 Operating Profit/Loss 1.1 -119.6 -52.1 Allowable Deductions 22 26.8 25 PSR Figure 23.1 -92.8 -27.1 So I think the non recurring cost in 2022 was related to the Lerner Payment (I've put the interest paid in here for 2023 accounts). I think the payouts to Deano and Gerrard are probably in with Wages/Other costs as it's paying up their contracts and I think the payment to Villareal in compensation for Emery is in somewhere under "other costs". I think this is why we see in the UEFA presentation such a huge increase in total wages over player wages. All the Gerrard/Emery expenses are in there. *Note Commercial revenue includes the income from players out on Loan (5.7m). I don't have the figure for 2022. Edited March 6 by CVByrne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy_69 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 11 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House 2022 2023 2024 Match Day 16.1 18.7 26 Broadcast 123.2 152.5 175 Commercial 26.4 30.1 60 Sponsorship 12.7 16.3 Income 178.4 217.6 261 Wages -137 -194.2 -194.2 Other Costs -41.9 -66.4 -66.4 Player Amort -82.5 -92.5 -92.5 Depreceiation -3.5 -4 0 Non-Recurring income/cost -9.8 -2.1 0 Gain on player sales 97.4 22 40 Exepenses -177.3 -337.2 -313.1 Operating Profit/Loss 1.1 -119.6 -52.1 Allowable Deductions 22 26.8 25 PSR Figure 23.1 -92.8 -27.1 So I think the non recurring cost in 2022 was related to the Lerner Payment (I've put the interest paid in here for 2023 accounts). I think the payouts to Deano and Gerrard are probably in with Wages/Other costs as it's paying up their contracts and I think the payment to Villareal in compensation for Emery is in somewhere under "other costs". I think this is why we see in the UEFA presentation such a huge increase in total wages over player wages. All the Gerrard/Emery expenses are in there. *Note Commercial revenue includes the income from players out on Loan (5.7m). I don't have the figure for 2022. Thanks so much for the work you put in to try to rationalise all this for the uninitiated! So the headline is, that if your assumptions are correct, we should be fine for 2023/24. But we’ll need to turn a small profit for one year in 2024/25 to stay compliant before the horrible loss year drops out of the equation??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 6 Moderator Share Posted March 6 42 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House I can't see them - are they published now? I think our matchday income in comparison to the likes of Southampton and Leeds must be down to differences in reporting. If we're reporting £18.7m over twenty games, that's £935,000 per game - with an average attendance of 41,239 last season, that's £22.67 per person per game over the season - now I know we have some concessions, but we also have 1,800 people paying hospitality prices on matchday - I don't know where the catering money is listed, or where the programme money is listed or the parking money and so on - but the idea that on average they take £22.67 per person out of a matchday at Villa Park is just odd - it's more likely to be double that - there's clearly something unusual in the way we report matchday income and what we include in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 Can someone set up a GoFundMe page to remove Jack Woodward's vocal cords. Surely this would raise millions in small payments from grateful fans, desperate to end his *in Woodward's voice* 'dulcet tones'. More potential cost savings/income growth schemes: 1. stopping the helium supply to the guy on VTV who interviews Unai and the players. 2. Clawing back 1% of this guy's wages each time he asks the same question but worded slightly differently in an interview. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 29 minutes ago, villarule123 said: People spend before they get into the stadium because the service is an absolute joke. Many people including myself have simply given up on getting food inside the stadium and just get food before the journey to the stadium. The club told me on the phone when I was complaining about this that it might be a better idea to get food from outside the ground and bring it into the stadium! I and many others just stand back and laugh amongst ourselves at the ineptitude of the workers struggling to pass people a bowl of chips within a minute. It's embarrassing. Fair point I do the same, maybe get one beer at half time. Haven't sat in the north stand for over 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: The thing is, if we were to double the amount of food and drink we sell at Villa Park, you're probably looking at improving matchday income by at the very most 20% and matchday income is only 10% of our total income - so doubling the amount of food and drink would add maybe 2% to our figures at the very best. In the scheme of things it's not a major factor - a better sleeve sponsor would make twice the impact. unless you can get a premium offering for food. If you go to the fan zone the average price point for a meal is probably a tenner, costs I admit are higher but so are the margins. I know its mentioned often but the Spurs stadium has a wide array of food types at a premium price with excellent customer service. This should be the target. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House 2022 2023 2024 Match Day 16.1 18.7 26 Broadcast 123.2 152.5 175 Commercial 26.4 30.1 60 Sponsorship 12.7 16.3 Income 178.4 217.6 261 Wages -137 -194.2 -194.2 Other Costs -41.9 -66.4 -66.4 Player Amort -82.5 -92.5 -92.5 Depreceiation -3.5 -4 0 Non-Recurring income/cost -9.8 -2.1 0 Gain on player sales 97.4 22 40 Exepenses -177.3 -337.2 -313.1 Operating Profit/Loss 1.1 -119.6 -52.1 Allowable Deductions 22 26.8 25 PSR Figure 23.1 -92.8 -27.1 So I think the non recurring cost in 2022 was related to the Lerner Payment (I've put the interest paid in here for 2023 accounts). I think the payouts to Deano and Gerrard are probably in with Wages/Other costs as it's paying up their contracts and I think the payment to Villareal in compensation for Emery is in somewhere under "other costs". I think this is why we see in the UEFA presentation such a huge increase in total wages over player wages. All the Gerrard/Emery expenses are in there. *Note Commercial revenue includes the income from players out on Loan (5.7m). I don't have the figure for 2022. Thanks for this. So the 2024 is the current year right? I.e. when we have sold A Ramsey and Archer? What would be the position as of the 2023 financial results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Czarnikjak Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, CVByrne said: Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House 2022 2023 2024 Match Day 16.1 18.7 26 Broadcast 123.2 152.5 175 Commercial 26.4 30.1 60 Sponsorship 12.7 16.3 Income 178.4 217.6 261 Wages -137 -194.2 -194.2 Other Costs -41.9 -66.4 -66.4 Player Amort -82.5 -92.5 -92.5 Depreceiation -3.5 -4 0 Non-Recurring income/cost -9.8 -2.1 0 Gain on player sales 97.4 22 40 Exepenses -177.3 -337.2 -313.1 Operating Profit/Loss 1.1 -119.6 -52.1 Allowable Deductions 22 26.8 25 PSR Figure 23.1 -92.8 -27.1 So I think the non recurring cost in 2022 was related to the Lerner Payment (I've put the interest paid in here for 2023 accounts). I think the payouts to Deano and Gerrard are probably in with Wages/Other costs as it's paying up their contracts and I think the payment to Villareal in compensation for Emery is in somewhere under "other costs". I think this is why we see in the UEFA presentation such a huge increase in total wages over player wages. All the Gerrard/Emery expenses are in there. *Note Commercial revenue includes the income from players out on Loan (5.7m). I don't have the figure for 2022. One thing to keep in mind, This seasons accounts will cover 13 months. So you need to adjust wages accordingly by adding 1/12th of their total to the final value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, nick76 said: I await the end of season points deduction to knock us down to 6th and push Spurs/Utd into European places. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachboys1 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 we havent broken rules people demanding on twitter we loose points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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