DJBOB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think the key is that what we have (Unai) is what the other clubs are missing. Respect to Howe but he’s got a ceiling and Palace, Forest don’t seem to understand the manager is the critical part of maintaining sustainability. I believe that’s why NWSE pulled the trigger fast with Gerrard. They’re no Xia idiots and knew the upward trajectory had to continue immediately given the revenue and spend. I think that’s also why Deano got the sack and no time to turn it around. If we can make UCL for 3-4 years in a row, the combination of revenue, exposure, and commercial increases can make us competitive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 19 minutes ago, ender4 said: Hause, Chambers, Olsen, Dendoncker, Coutinho, Digne, Sanson. I think we'll struggle to sell a lot of these, so maybe more loans with us paying part of their salary. Lenglet and Zaniolo will automatically be gone. Its for 22/23 so Lenglet/Zaniolo wont count on them figures. Am guessing managerial change with the clearing in the woods bringing in multiple coaches and football brains didnt help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, DJBOB said: If we can make UCL for 3-4 years in a row, the combination of revenue, exposure, and commercial increases can make us competitive. Yep, realistically we need CL 3 years in a row and at least on one occasion need to make it to the knockouts. That will then start to build some global recognition of Aston Villa which will then bring in the large sponsorship deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Its for 22/23 so Lenglet/Zaniolo wont count on them figures. Am guessing managerial change with the clearing in the woods bringing in multiple coaches and football brains didnt help Oh yes sorry, i meant between this current season 23/24 and next season 24/25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCGB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 As posted on another site we have lost £156 million over the last 3 years. £141million is allowed losses which includes £56 million for Covid, £45 million for youth development, £10 million for the Wonens team and £30 million infrastructure. There for in FFP terms we have losses of £15 million over the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, OhioVilla said: Just off the top of my head, Digne and Coutinho should be among the tops. Is there another deadwood player I'm forgetting? (Not saying Digne is deadwood, but for a backup, his wages are unsustainable.) Digne isn't a backup, he's our best left back based on this season and a key reason we are challenging the top 4 this season. Moreno has gone way off form to be honest. Edited March 5 by Leeroy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, DJBOB said: I think the key is that what we have (Unai) is what the other clubs are missing. Respect to Howe but he’s got a ceiling and Palace, Forest don’t seem to understand the manager is the critical part of maintaining sustainability. I believe that’s why NWSE pulled the trigger fast with Gerrard. They’re no Xia idiots and knew the upward trajectory had to continue immediately given the revenue and spend. I think that’s also why Deano got the sack and no time to turn it around. If we can make UCL for 3-4 years in a row, the combination of revenue, exposure, and commercial increases can make us competitive. English teams that have qualified for the UCL in each of the last 4 seasons...Manchester City. A very tough ask for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, cheltenham_villa said: English teams that have qualified for the UCL in each of the last 4 seasons...Manchester City. A very tough ask for us. True - but UCL/Europa - some combination thereof. I think what's quite clear is that we need to place higher, place in Europe, increase our commercial revenue (again mind boggling how some Championship clubs have higher kit sales than us!), and a combination of high cost performers but also developing players so that we don't have the Coutinho's, Dendoncker's of the world killing our wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, AVFCGB said: As posted on another site we have lost £156 million over the last 3 years. £141million is allowed losses which includes £56 million for Covid, £45 million for youth development, £10 million for the Wonens team and £30 million infrastructure. There for in FFP terms we have losses of £15 million over the last 3 years. That does not seem right at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 5 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5 41 minutes ago, AVFCGB said: As posted on another site we have lost £156 million over the last 3 years. £141million is allowed losses which includes £56 million for Covid, £45 million for youth development, £10 million for the Wonens team and £30 million infrastructure. There for in FFP terms we have losses of £15 million over the last 3 years. Ok, this sounds a lot less scary than the article on the BBC saying we've lost £116m in a year when we can only lose £105m in 3 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, DJBOB said: I think the key is that what we have (Unai) is what the other clubs are missing. Respect to Howe but he’s got a ceiling and Palace, Forest don’t seem to understand the manager is the critical part of maintaining sustainability. I believe that’s why NWSE pulled the trigger fast with Gerrard. They’re no Xia idiots and knew the upward trajectory had to continue immediately given the revenue and spend. I think that’s also why Deano got the sack and no time to turn it around. If we can make UCL for 3-4 years in a row, the combination of revenue, exposure, and commercial increases can make us competitive. 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Yep, realistically we need CL 3 years in a row and at least on one occasion need to make it to the knockouts. That will then start to build some global recognition of Aston Villa which will then bring in the large sponsorship deals. I hope very much the NSWE business plan isn’t expecting us to achieve CL football for the next 3-4 years continuously. There are about 8 clubs with a realistic chance and we can’t guarantee it will be us every year. We need to be able to build sustainably or another Xia-style crash is on the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCGB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 19 minutes ago, omariqy said: That does not seem right at all. Convenient that the BBC don’t report allowable losses in that figure? Those figures are about right based against allowable losses. Chances of a points deduction are slim and none! Slim has left town!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCGB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 21 minutes ago, omariqy said: That does not seem right at all. It does over the 3 year cycle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, fightoffyour said: It's not hunky dory the year after when you need to sell another £100m pound player to fund that year's amortisation costs of the 5 players you bought the previous year though is it? It’s a 90 odd million profit the players brought increase amortisation by 20m a year. So yea hunky dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 17 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I hope very much the NSWE business plan isn’t expecting us to achieve CL football for the next 3-4 years continuously. There are about 8 clubs with a realistic chance and we can’t guarantee it will be us every year. We need to be able to build sustainably or another Xia-style crash is on the cards. Well and that's where player sales come in. I think for as much guff as we all say about keeping our best players - realistically - we're going to need a big sale every few years in the case that we don't have CL football for 3-4 continuous years. I think that's different than the Brighton/Brentford method of selling their best players and then only picking up prospects. That's how you get the talent gap that those clubs are at now. But in comparison, making a big sale every 1-3 years with continued investment can keep us in line with FPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted March 5 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, paul514 said: It’s a 90 odd million profit the players brought increase amortisation by 20m a year. So yea hunky dory Increase amortisation by £20m each per year or total? As in, are you talking about buying 5 x £20m players or 5 x £100m players after selling one for £100m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, fightoffyour said: Increase amortisation by £20m each per year or total? As in, are you talking about buying 5 x £20m players or 5 x £100m players after selling one for £100m? Read the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fightoffyour Posted March 5 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, paul514 said: Read the post I've read the post. If it was clear I wouldn't ask would I. Edited March 5 by fightoffyour 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, AVFCGB said: Convenient that the BBC don’t report allowable losses in that figure? Those figures are about right based against allowable losses. Chances of a points deduction are slim and none! Slim has left town!!! We are allowed to lose £105m over 3 years. From what’s been said on here it seems like we are in and around the £90m figure. So bit of headroom still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, AVFCGB said: As posted on another site we have lost £156 million over the last 3 years. £141million is allowed losses which includes £56 million for Covid, £45 million for youth development, £10 million for the Wonens team and £30 million infrastructure. There for in FFP terms we have losses of £15 million over the last 3 years. These are very incorrect numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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