paul514 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Jas10 said: Listening to it at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 19 minutes ago, beachboys1 said: we havent broken rules people demanding on twitter we loose points I think it's always important to remember that people are clearings in the woods 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, paul514 said: Listening to it at the moment Worth a listen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapleVilla Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 BBC reporting it as we've lost 119.6m and PSR rules are 105m. They also say infrastructure, womens team, academy costs etc aren't included in the PSR. BUT they don't say what the 119.6m breakdown is. We've also released a generic statement saying we look forward to continuing to make the club sustainable etc. Typical clickbait misinform people instead of just spitting facts. BBC is getting worse and worse as news outlet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Yes I was about to post the link, Well worth listening to the financial guy, not the sports journo at the end as he really doesn't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I wonder how much of these losses are not counted by the psr rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: I wonder how much of these losses are not counted by the psr rules? About £90m in the last 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 hours ago, thabucks said: Worth a listen ? not really its as expected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, omariqy said: About £90m in the last 3 years i think it is closer to 100m. Basically little FFP room left, but that is what most of us thought anyway. TBH i forsee two events happening off the pitch to change that in the coming 17 months. 1 How are we with the limits once Jack's sale passes three years 2 Will we make a big sale? The other stuff will sort itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 7 Moderator Share Posted March 7 I'm confused, our accounts are usually listed on Companies house website under NSWE sports limited - that's showing as accounts overdue - so I've been waiting for a document to appear. I've seen a few people now though say that they've seen the published accounts, but I'm not sure where. There's an accounts document under Aston Villa Limited, but it doesn't seem to be the accounts - the numbers in it make no sense to me - turnover at £702,000? Are the accounts still yet to be published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 7 Moderator Share Posted March 7 Nope, got it - for some reason we've moved it from NSWE to Aston Villa Football Club (not to be confused with Aston Villa Limited which is where that other document is). Weird that we've not published them against NSWE like we usually do (unless there's still a version awaiting publication). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Nope, got it - for some reason we've moved it from NSWE to Aston Villa Football Club (not to be confused with Aston Villa Limited which is where that other document is). Weird that we've not published them against NSWE like we usually do (unless there's still a version awaiting publication). I think the accounts you're looking for are at NSWE UK Limited. It seems in years past they've published practically the same overall accounts (I think just changing the name) to both NSWE UK Ltd and NSWE Sports Ltd, but they mustn't have done it for NSWE Sports Ltd this year, for whatever reason. Edited March 7 by wishywashy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 7 Moderator Share Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, wishywashy said: I think the accounts you're looking for are at NSWE UK Limited. Thank you! So we've now published accounts (for something, I'm not sure what) under Aston Villa Limited, a set under Aston Villa Football Club, a more complete set under NSWE UK and nothing at all under NSWE Sports Limited, which is where we normally post them and where they're listed on companies house as overdue? You've gotta love accountants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 7 Moderator Share Posted March 7 So our reported matchday revenues are purely ticket sales and don't include the income from C&B, programmes or any of the other stuff that happens on matchdays. So the income from our kiosks and our hospitality areas is almost impossible to figure out - it's in with shirt sales, royalties and loan fees under Commercial. I wonder if that goes some way to explaining the difference between us and the likes of Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, OutByEaster? said: So we've now published accounts (for something, I'm not sure what) under Aston Villa Limited, a set under Aston Villa Football Club, a more complete set under NSWE UK and nothing under NSWE Sports Limited, which is where we normally post them? You've gotta love accountants. The accounts have a list of the subsidiaries somewhere and their general purpose. NSWE Sports Limited is a holding company, Aston Villa Limited is (another?) holding company, Aston Villa Football Club Ltd is for "commercial operations", and Aston Villa FC Limited is for the football club itself (I'm assuming related to player contracts etc.?) My brain melted trying to take in the two holding companies. It completely evaporated by the time it came to understanding the difference between Aston Villa Football Club and Aston Villa FC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 7 Moderator Share Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, wishywashy said: My brain melted trying to take in the two holding companies. It completely evaporated by the time it came to understanding the difference between Aston Villa Football Club and Aston Villa FC Mine melted a lot earlier than yours! I wonder what that Aston Villa Limited with the £700k turnover is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Mine melted a lot earlier than yours! I wonder what that Aston Villa Limited with the £700k turnover is? It seems like that's the original Aston Villa company, founded in 1896. There's presumably a nice bit of history (for the particularly nerdy) throughout the dozens of accounts and documents that have been filed there. As for what it does nowadays or where it got £700k from, absolutely not a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm confused, our accounts are usually listed on Companies house website under NSWE sports limited - that's showing as accounts overdue - so I've been waiting for a document to appear. I've seen a few people now though say that they've seen the published accounts, but I'm not sure where. There's an accounts document under Aston Villa Limited, but it doesn't seem to be the accounts - the numbers in it make no sense to me - turnover at £702,000? Are the accounts still yet to be published? NSWE UK LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK (company-information.service.gov.uk) I see you found them but the link for others. Edited March 7 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 16 hours ago, Czarnikjak said: One thing to keep in mind, This seasons accounts will cover 13 months. So you need to adjust wages accordingly by adding 1/12th of their total to the final value. Yes but need to decrease the 21/22 accounts. I think we made a loss on Samatta and Engles in June 2021 so they would drop off. We would restate the 21/22 accounts for the adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 (edited) 23 hours ago, CVByrne said: Revised numbers having reviewed the accounts on Companies House 2022 2023 2024 Match Day 16.1 18.7 26 Broadcast 123.2 152.5 175 Commercial 26.4 30.1 60 Sponsorship 12.7 16.3 Income 178.4 217.6 261 Wages -137 -194.2 -194.2 Other Costs -41.9 -66.4 -66.4 Player Amort -82.5 -92.5 -92.5 Depreceiation -3.5 -4 0 Non-Recurring income/cost -9.8 -2.1 0 Gain on player sales 97.4 22 40 Exepenses -177.3 -337.2 -313.1 Operating Profit/Loss 1.5 -119.6 -52.1 Allowable Deductions 22 26.8 26.8 PSR Figure 23.5 -92.8 -25.3 So I think the non recurring cost in 2022 was related to the Lerner Payment (I've put the interest paid in here for 2023 accounts). I think the payouts to Deano and Gerrard are probably in with Wages/Other costs as it's paying up their contracts and I think the payment to Villareal in compensation for Emery is in somewhere under "other costs". I think this is why we see in the UEFA presentation such a huge increase in total wages over player wages. All the Gerrard/Emery expenses are in there. *Note Commercial revenue includes the income from players out on Loan (5.7m). I don't have the figure for 2022. So did more digging. Gerrard was on £5m per year (lets assume Emery is on the same amount). So Gerrard paid up cost us £10m in additional one off cost in 22/23 his staff too say adds another £2m. We paid Emery release clause of 5.25m and Monchi's was reported as £1.7m lets assume Emery staff too is another £1m. This is £20m of one off cost in under Wages/Other Costs in 22/23 that drops off. So we've £30m headroom for increased Wages/Amortisation this season to stay under the PSR limit if our revenue increases to 260m. We get an extra £10m from 3 extra place in PL and winning ECL is worth £18.8m (€22m). That would exquat to broadcast revenue of £181m (I put £175m). I put Matchday and Commercial income up £21m from 65m to 86m. I think the signings this season have added about £50m in wages / amortisation. So a £20m counter balance in drop in wages/amortisation for the players who left. I think Wesley had been impared off balance sheet so was worth "0" on our books hence letting him leave for no fee. The crux of this is, when we finished our summer in 2023 the club have not financially planned for us to be having as good a season as now, this is bonus income. So we seem to be comfortable enough to spent £15m in Jan window as a result. I assume they know Sanson buy option probably triggered too. Zaniolo's won't be. etc.. This is my last post on it. I'm confident we don't need to sell a player before June to stay under PSR and then 24/25 season will have boost in income again with hopefully UCL and sponsorship boost with Adidas (and the boost for being in UCL sponsors pay in contracts) which mitigates situation. We do need to begin the normal turnover of players though. Edited March 7 by CVByrne 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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