Mic09 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Zatman said: A european super league sounds great with unlimited subs for the big clubs and maybe can have NFL style set piece subs or hockey line changes for set pieces don't forget the cheerleaders and plenty of Gatorade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Zatman said: A european super league sounds great with unlimited subs for the big clubs and maybe can have NFL style set piece subs or hockey line changes for set pieces Let them fill their boots with performance enhancers too. That I'd pay to watch. And by pay to watch I mean illegally stream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 After about 10 attempts now it looks the Premier League will finlly bring in 5 subs to help the big teams. Supported by managers Bruce and Moyes who have always coincidentally had players with muscle strains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: After about 10 attempts now it looks the Premier League will finlly bring in 5 subs to help the big teams. Supported by managers Bruce and Moyes who have always coincidentally had players with muscle strains Yeah saw that too. Tbf I get it because the number of muscle injuries is almost twice as many as during a regular season, as expected. And it will only get worse. But at the same time this is the rule they voted on and set, the benefit with 5 subs will mainly be for the big rich clubs who have strong squads and who still have often not used their 3 subs so far. And looking at it from a selfish standpoint we have a really weak squad and even now don't utilize the subs we have so for us there would be no benefit at all. But I really don't like to see (most) players get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Mcginn has played more minutes for Scotland than he has for villa this season But sure its the 5 subs that's the problem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, sne said: Yeah saw that too. Tbf I get it because the number of muscle injuries is almost twice as many as during a regular season, as expected. And it will only get worse. But at the same time this is the rule they voted on and set, the benefit with 5 subs will mainly be for the big rich clubs who have strong squads and who still have often not used their 3 subs so far. And looking at it from a selfish standpoint we have a really weak squad and even now don't utilize the subs we have so for us there would be no benefit at all. But I really don't like to see (most) players get injured. But that's why the big clubs have mega squads. Effing use them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 The issue is obviously a lack of rest between seasons, no real pre-season and a compressed schedule with too many games in too many competitions for the top players. And it's only just started. 5 subs would help to somewhat mitigate this but most managers in the PL (ours included) doesn't use even the 3 subs they have so maybe start with that before gagging for a mid season rule change. I hate those. Let's be honest, if it were the bottom half clubs that were pushing this issue it would be dead in the water before it even got discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Smith said he is against 5 subs and said that if player welfare was an issue he would manage them individually 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: Mcginn has played more minutes for Scotland than he has for villa this season But sure its the 5 subs that's the problem Is that true? I was just checking it out (because I was genuinely interested), and I think he’s played 630 mins for Villa and 621 for Scotland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) I think it's a good idea considering the mad schedule. No reason why results shouldn't suddenly change, we beat Arsenal with 3 and 5 subs being available and not like Liverpool have much depth with all the injuries, half their bench will the under 12s who played us in the cup before too long. Man. City bench also been made up of 4 defenders recently. Chelsea at home imo was only match where 5 subs has impacted on result involving us, Chelsea just have insane depth in final third. Edited November 19, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 10 hours ago, VillaChris said: I think it's a good idea considering the mad schedule. No reason why results shouldn't suddenly change, we beat Arsenal with 3 and 5 subs being available and not like Liverpool have much depth with all the injuries, half their bench will the under 12s who played us in the cup before too long. Man. City bench also been made up of 4 defenders recently. Chelsea at home imo was only match where 5 subs has impacted on result involving us, Chelsea just have insane depth in final third. What happens then when players do get fit? Also forget us its not fair on teams like burnley who have smaller squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I like the idear of 5 subs,it makes the game more tactical. With 3 subs,you only really use 2 because teams dont bring the third one on till the game is almost over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I like the idear of 5 subs,it makes the game more tactical. With 3 subs,you only really use 2 because teams dont bring the third one on till the game is almost over. Surely its the opposite? 3 subs and you have to think carefully and tactically. 5 subs and if you are losing, you can change half your team, especially if you are Liverpool, Man City or Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 20, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2020 I'd like to go back to having five subs on the bench. Ideally I'd like to limit subs to two, but if there are only five on the bench I'm not against staying with three. Subs should be for injuries, not for keeping global superstars happy. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 dutch and Italian leagues have already gone to 22 man match day squads, so is international football, with FIFA trying to scrap the loan system i can see that more likely than dropping down to 5 again even if that meant the PL would have to schedule the youth leagues around making players available but the number you should be allowed to bring on should be 3 whilst i agree that this season with the mad scheduling its not ideal to only have 3 at the same time i think its protectionism to the bigger clubs, Liverpool are struggling because they're competing in 4 cups and have a squad full of internationals and thats unfair on them because we are less competitive with fewer internationals? nah im not having that, they should be questioning the sanity of playing so many games rather than the number of subs allowed, any danger of liverpool bombing off their £80m a year prize money + increased sponsorship revenue european competition in order to have a fitter squad for their game vs leicester? absolutely none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Demitri_C said: What happens then when players do get fit? Also forget us its not fair on teams like burnley who have smaller squads Burnley actually have much better form with 5 subs available than going back to normal this season although you're right they don't have that big a squad so probably irrelevant to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 20, 2020 22 man match day squads is purely about letting bigger clubs keep 22 superstars happy - it doesn't benefit the sport at all - sport should have a randomness to the outcome, it shouldn't just be about who has the money to pay most players - injuries and substitutions play a key role in keeping some sort of randomness in the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: 22 man match day squads is purely about letting bigger clubs keep 22 superstars happy - it doesn't benefit the sport at all - sport should have a randomness to the outcome, it shouldn't just be about who has the money to pay most players - injuries and substitutions play a key role in keeping some sort of randomness in the sport. I'm sure in Italy it's tied in to them having no reserve league Not a clue what they do if fifa scrap loans, juve for example currently have 31 players out on loan, inter 28, (which tells you why Fifa want to scrap the system) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Next thing we see is two starting 11s, attack and defence, allowed to roll sub as they please depending on the phase of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Next thing we see is two starting 11s, attack and defence, allowed to roll sub as they please depending on the phase of the game. Hockey line changes basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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