Popular Post lapal_fan Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 It's a multitude of things isn't it? But this is politics now. Shout loudest, lie the most, distort the smallest thing, talk a lot about nothing. People don't like evidence, or research, they like tweet-length politics, where huge issues are narrowed down into "yes/no" answers, constant headlines with little details. The precedence we're being set here is nothing but worrying. Idiocracy is a real thing which used to be satirical. The polarisation, the "us/them", the anti-unifying nature of Trumps administration is scary, but not scary enough to push people into hiding, it's bringing out the worst, most tribal instincts we have. Politicians using "meme phrases" from videogame origins like "get owned", is worryingly popular. You have women voting for trump because they think biden hugging and kissing kids he meets is "creepy", despite trump doing similar and having the history Jimmy Saville would be proud of. It's like a frat house popularity contest, that middle-aged people are taking part in and actively enjoying. It's also pretty evident that the huge problem for the Dems is gaining traction with the smaller counties with smaller towns - from what I saw, he lost almost all of the town's, but won the cities. I feel now like I did when Boris landslided, when Brexit creeped over the line.. the democrats have failed to persuade the little guy, when they should be the lowest hanging fruit for a slightly more left-leaning choice. Instead, we've got people who don't make much money, who are more likely to get sick, voting for big business protecting, environmentally damaging and health care cutting politics instead - it doesn't make sense. Maybe the air of superiority and condescending nature of the global lefties is too annoying for the everyman. Weird times. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: As frustrating as it is - and as much of a measure of the man as it is that this is what he's doing - you need to remember that this is a sign of weakness. He's doing this precisely *because* it doesn't look likely that he's going to win among the actual ballots cast. Yes, it made that speech all the more bizarre. Declaring he won, but also that there was a fraud of the American people (he is technically correct there). His advisors must have said that he isn't going to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: People don't like evidence, or research, they like tweet-length politics, where huge issues are narrowed down into "yes/no" answers, constant headlines with little details. This is it and why I made my "genius" comment. We all laugh when he fires off 50 short tweets all in caps inside 30 minutes, but it works. He may not get over the line but he's far, far closer than he should be because he knows how to push peoples buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, Genie said: Yes, it made that speech all the more bizarre. Declaring he won, but also that there was a fraud of the American people (he is technically correct there). His advisors must have said that he isn't going to win. Exactly this. You wouldn't resort to trying to steal it illegitimately if you thought you were going to win it legitimately. Frankly, I think the only reason it has happened so late is that earlier on in the night, results did seem to be going his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 05/10/2020 at 14:39, Brumerican said: He'll lose marginally then have his judges rule in his favour. Then it's Thanos time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 So the votes against trump are fraud and the ones for him are ok... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Quote Silicon Valley facing pressure from Trump camp James Clayton North America technology reporter Twitter and Facebook said they would label tweets from candidates that spread disinformation about voting, and sure enough that has happened. Donald Trump's tweet saying "votes cannot be cast after the polls are closed" has been labelled with a warning. Interestingly though, Twitter hasn't labelled a tweet from Trump saying the election was a "A big WIN!", while Facebook has. Twitter had previously said that it would label tweets from candidates claiming victory before a declared result. Both social media companies will now face big pressure from the Trump campaign – which has already accused Twitter of being on a "mission to censor and silence the president". link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Downballot, it has been a disappointing night for Democrats. They have flopped in the Senate, looking like they will take only one seat net, and even though they will retain control of the House, it looks like they will lose seats on net (having been predicted to gain up to a dozen before the election). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 My EC guess is 308-230 in Biden’s favour, which wouldn’t be too far off most predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Also, one for @bickster - ABC is calling Prop 22 as having passed in California, so Uber got the return on their $200m campaign 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 4, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2020 How the **** is this man not being wiped from the face of politics? After all he's done, after the way he's conducted himself? What is wrong with the American people? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: It's a multitude of things isn't it? But this is politics now. Shout loudest, lie the most, distort the smallest thing, talk a lot about nothing. People don't like evidence, or research, they like tweet-length politics, where huge issues are narrowed down into "yes/no" answers, constant headlines with little details. The precedence we're being set here is nothing but worrying. Idiocracy is a real thing which used to be satirical. The polarisation, the "us/them", the anti-unifying nature of Trumps administration is scary, but not scary enough to push people into hiding, it's bringing out the worst, most tribal instincts we have. Politicians using "meme phrases" from videogame origins like "get owned", is worryingly popular. You have women voting for trump because they think biden hugging and kissing kids he meets is "creepy", despite trump doing similar and having the history Jimmy Saville would be proud of. It's like a frat house popularity contest, that middle-aged people are taking part in and actively enjoying. It's also pretty evident that the huge problem for the Dems is gaining traction with the smaller counties with smaller towns - from what I saw, he lost almost all of the town's, but won the cities. I feel now like I did when Boris landslided, when Brexit creeped over the line.. the democrats have failed to persuade the little guy, when they should be the lowest hanging fruit for a slightly more left-leaning choice. Instead, we've got people who don't make much money, who are more likely to get sick, voting for big business protecting, environmentally damaging and health care cutting politics instead - it doesn't make sense. Maybe the air of superiority and condescending nature of the global lefties is too annoying for the everyman. Weird times. Brilliant post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 4, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2020 This is what 1933 must have felt like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancvillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Nate Silver on ABC calling Trump at 10-1. Put a fork in this shit - it's done and I'm going to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: This is what 1933 must have felt like. Sometimes fascists do get elected. Real fascists never face re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Also, one for @bickster - ABC is calling Prop 22 as having passed in California, so Uber got the return on their $200m campaign how do you find out all the weird and wonderful local things that have been voted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, sidcow said: How the **** is this man not being wiped from the face of politics? After all he's done, after the way he's conducted himself? What is wrong with the American people? Blue Man bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, villa4europe said: how do you find out all the weird and wonderful local things that have been voted for? Fivethirtyeight.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I always felt with Brexit that the press and other narratives did such a brilliant job of making regular, working class people feel like they had more in common with British elitists like Johnson and Farage than they did with other working class people in France, Germany, etc. Same with Trump. For all his many flaws, he’s a reality TV show host. Literally appealing to a low common denominator in 200 odd characters and look - You seem to forget the bloke is a TV show host and a Billionaire by way of his Father. Worlds gone mad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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