villalad21 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: That is not the discussion. You said he would play every week. I doubt that very much. Nothing to do with how good Dortmund are at developing youngsters. That's what they do though. Just look at Sancho and Bellingham. Age is just a number for them. And their whole strategy revolves around developing youngsters and turn them into superstars, then they sell them on huge profit. He may not start every game initially, but he would undoubtedly play more than he does here, and over time he would become a starter. I'm desperate for Carney to stay but you can't knock a kid for wanting to play, and if he feels he has to move to achieve that then I will respect that. Your footballing career is a short one, have to make the most of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Dortmund have a much better track record of developing youngsters Because they have better youngsters and because they are the 2nd biggest club in Germany 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: That's what they do though. Just look at Sancho and Bellingham. Age is just a number for them. And their whole strategy revolves around developing youngsters and turn them into superstars, then they sell them on huge profit. He may not start every game initially, but he would undoubtedly play more than he does here, and over time he would become a starter. I'm desperate for Carney to stay but you can't knock a kid for wanting to play, and if he feels he has to move to achieve that then I will respect that. Your footballing career is a short one, have to make the most of it. So you have changed your mind. You now agree that he will be in the same situation with them as he is with us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxstock92 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Should we be reading into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I doubt it, I've seen him do that to his instagram several times in the past, in fact I remember him doing it not long before he signed his last deal - Although not saying that's what's going to happen here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I hope this is the calm before the storm… Of him signing a 6 year new fat cat deal letsgoboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HalfTimePost Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Loxstock92 said: Should we be reading into this? His profile is the same for me as before. Still has posts up. 7 total (all since August) 5 Villa, 2 England. He even reposted an England one to his story at 11pm tonight from November 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KangarooVillan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: His profile is the same for me as before. Still has posts up. 7 total (all since August) 5 Villa, 2 England. He even reposted an England one to his story at 11pm tonight from November Clear your cache maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, KangarooVillan said: Clear your cache maybe Same for me. Still has the 7 posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Tbh if he turns down Villa, that’s totally fine and it’s his prerogative BUT what would worry me is the advice he’s being given. What’s he expecting? a starting place somewhere? He does realise he’s still just a youth prospect? I guess there’s the possibility that Man City might pick him up - but then what? Just be flipped for £10m down the line for a quick FFP buck then fade into obscurity like so many before him? If he really doesn’t believe that this is the best place for him to progress and become a starter and then, if he really wants to, leave for the big boys, he’s nuts. Or, per my opening, incredibly badly advised by people that want to make a quick buck at his expense. Maybe “feel sorry for” is wrong, but IF his current attitude is as reported then I think his career is already over before it began as a result of bad advice and having an ego massaged at a young and impressionable age. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 17 hours ago, kevpants said: I'm getting a bad feeling about this guy. A sense of entitlement. It doesn't bode well. Contrast that with Jacob Ramsey. Enthusiastic about every chance he gets and when he's subbed off early or starts as a sub he accepts it and waits for his next chance. I think Carney is the better player. Hope this doesn't end how I think it will. I do agree with your post but will defend him a bit. It’s the kind of “they know not what they do” vibe if we want to go all Christian. It’s what I’m trying to get at (badly) in my above post - I’m sure he does have the sense of entitlement you refer to but he’s so young that I think that’s coming from how he is being manipulated. I could be totally wrong and he could just be a massive bellend irrespective of the places he’s being pulled by various sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Put a 1st option clause in if he goes germany. If he does well then we can try get him back. Personally i think he will flop there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I don't think he'd be guaranteed games at dortmund, the set up from a few years back that rotated a lot meaning that the likes of sancho broke through has gone, the reality is Bellingham is getting a lot of game because he's an exceptional talent, if you're then chucking Haaland in to the bracket of young player and saying "dortmund give youth a chance" of course they do they'd be the best 2 young players in world football... Even when you chuck in mukouko he's such an obvious talent that of course they play him They also have a lot of options in midfield depending on where they would play him, they play a mixture of 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 with the 2 or 3 coming from Witsel, Bellingham, dahoud, can, sometimes brandt, then reyna has been injured for a while now, I think Witsel might be near the end of his contract and I personally don't rate dahoud but he is capped for Germany, can is also old so they do need midfielders, they have one decent prospect already in CM 18 year old lukte frie so maybe they'll see him as the one they want to bring through rather than get someone else but if he was there this season I don't think he'd play over the older heads and definitely not over Bellingham Dortmund also have another good English prospect they got from man City, 17 year old winger binoe gittens but he doesn't play for the 1st team or get any fuss over him, he's not part of this give youth a chance stuff (yet) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 If he does go, then I suspect it will be to a club in London, Manchester or Liverpool, rather than to one in Germany. His first team prospects are unlikely to be any better and his development will not be improved by spending time on one of those clubs benches, rather than on ours. These clubs see an opportunity to steal a player for next to nothing. If he comes good for them, then that is a win, as is selling him on for a profit in a couple of years. His bank balance and that of his agent, may increase in the short term, but Crowley shows that leaving us isn't always the wisest of choices. Now isn't the time to jump ship, we are a club that players want to join and making the opposite decision, would be a strange decision to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I have no problem with him making a perfectly rational career decision. The club does the same every year with players. Its a two way street. I hope he stays because I see potential but wish him all the best if he chooses to play elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 This is obviously guesswork from me but I think he will see how this season goes and then sign a contract in the summer. I think people panicking way too early about his contract situation, he's still got eighteen months left on his current deal, it kind of makes sense for him to wait before signing an extention, although I think Gerrard's comments are in part perhaps an attempt to get him to commit to us sooner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 It would be silly for him to leave, unless he’s guaranteed first team football anywhere. I can’t think of anywhere outside the top 6 more attractive than us atm. And if he goes to a top 6 he’ll have 2/3 loans to look forward to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Not going to link to some fake ITK accounts posting rubbish, but I trust the club will do its utmost to keep him. Still plenty of time to flesh out a new contract and give him the game time he craves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Not going to link to some fake ITK accounts posting rubbish, but I trust the club will do its utmost to keep him. Still plenty of time to flesh out a new contract and give him the game time he craves. Let's hope we don't Chuckwumeka out with the bath water 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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