villalad21 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Zatman said: See. Still ignores the fact he never seen Traore play yet keeps his agenda Didn't know you had to watch players for a full game to have an opinion. Never watched Freddy Adu for a full game. Still think he's shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Agree that we could really do with a strong, physical midfielder to help out (especially in the tougher games) with some aerial strength too. This article is worth checking out & I wonder if we could get any of these players: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data-analysis/finding-new-defensive-midfielder-for-spurs-data-analysis-statistics Some will be in high demand and chased by the top clubs but there are other good shouts too. Maybe Bakayoko on loan? Alvarez? Rongier? Grujic may be a good signing for us & we have been linked. A strong, physical presence in MF would ensure we aren’t overpowered or too lightweight. It’s something we definitely lack in the squad atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Didn't know you had to watch players for a full game to have an opinion. Never watched Freddy Adu for a full game. Still think he's shit. We all know the truth now. Unsurprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Thug said: Yes, they started their career there. The minute they showed the slightest bit of promise, they were gone for a bigger challenge. Ergo... Mickey Mouse league. point being - scoring a shitload of goals in sub standard league does not a world class player make. Spending £40 MILLION on said player based on a scoring record from a sub standard league is in itself lunacy - but to state that you would have him over Tammy? Based on what? A bunch of youtube videos where he scores for fun against defenders probably at the level of the EFL div 2? Take a punt at £20m? Ok maybe. £40m? Choose him over Tammy? Give your head a wobble. Ajax and Feyenoord have won more Euro competitions than we have. Players do start their careers there and then move on but when Alves broke the goalscoring record he was in 3rd place in the history books behind Romario and the original Ronaldo. Its not a Mickey Mouse league by any stretch.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mjvilla Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Didn't know you had to watch players for a full game to have an opinion. Never watched Freddy Adu for a full game. Still think he's shit. You can have an opinion without watching a player. To have a respected opinion, I'd suggest watching said players first. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Mjvilla said: You can have an opinion without watching a player. To have a respected opinion, I'd suggest watching said players first. Lyon fans have watched him in over 50+ games. They say he's shit. Are their opinions not valid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Lyon fans have watched him in over 50+ games. They say he's shit. Are their opinions not valid? Oh so now its a group of French fans' opinions and not yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Lyon fans have watched him in over 50+ games. They say he's shit. Are their opinions not valid? Well we could say they are not valid if we look at their opinion on John Carew? You have quite vocal opinions on matters you seem to lack a grasp of knowledge of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Didn't know you had to watch players for a full game to have an opinion. Never watched Freddy Adu for a full game. Still think he's shit. What the **** 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MentalM said: Well we could say they are not valid if we look at their opinion on John Carew? You have quite vocal opinions on matters you seem to lack a grasp of knowledge of Don't think any Lyon fans wanted Carew out for his lack of ability. He had fallen out with Houllier and either of them had to leave. Their relationship had become toxic. It's a different thing. Although Traore is rumoured to have attitude problems as well it's Lyon fans comments of his lack of ability that concerns me the most. Cutting inside to the left being his only move. Very one dimensional, predictable and easy to defend against. One trick pony. Poor decision making. Terrible finishing and a shameful right foot. Doesn't sound too promising, does it? Edited September 15, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Lyon fans have watched him in over 50+ games. They say he's shit. Are their opinions not valid? Because their judgement over Baros and Carew was spot on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, rayk said: Ajax and Feyenoord have won more Euro competitions than we have. Players do start their careers there and then move on but when Alves broke the goalscoring record he was in 3rd place in the history books behind Romario and the original Ronaldo. Its not a Mickey Mouse league by any stretch.. No you’re right. I’m being unnecessarily unkind to the eredivisie. and to be fair, Aberdeen and Celtic have won the same number of European competitions as us. Doesn’t put the SPL on a level footing to the Premier League. And Denmark and Greece have more Euros than England. Oh, and Celtic have more European cups than arsenal, Man City, leicester, spurs and Chelsea combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) From that Tottenham documentary. I thought it was very interesting and would encourage some of our constantly moaning fans to have a quick watch. Levy: "Even putting aside the money, the fact is, there might be a player we all like, but unless you've got a club that's willing to sell, you've got an agent that's willing to do business, and a player who actually wants to come here, I mean there are alot of things which actually have have to come together. And I think, fans generally have no idea how hard it is, to physically do a transfer" Edited September 15, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Oh so now its a group of French fans' opinions and not yours? To be fair though we sought out and listened to the (German) WB fans about their view on Rashica so we can’t have it both ways. For the record I’m supportive of the move for Traore. Just over a year ago he was touted as being a £40m player, and one crap season where his manager has either not played him or played him out of position as a RB it’s no surprise his value has dropped to £17.5m. So hopefully the club have decided that in the right team, right position and right coaching they can create value both on the pitch and off it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Cutting inside to the left being his only move. Very one dimensional, predictable and easy to defend against. One trick pony. Poor decision making. Terrible finishing and a shameful right foot. Doesn't sound too promising, does it? Have you witnessed any of this? Stop making things up to make it fit your agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Lyon fans extremely happy with Traore departing .. how do you guys feel about this ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 There’s a whiff of transfer in the air... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Don't think any Lyon fans wanted Carew out for his lack of ability. He had fallen out with Houllier and either of them had to leave. Their relationship had become toxic. It's a different thing. Although Traore is rumoured to have attitude problems as well it's Lyon fans comments of his lack of ability that concerns me the most. Cutting inside to the left being his only move. Very one dimensional, predictable and easy to defend against. One trick pony. Poor decision making. Terrible finishing and a shameful right foot. Doesn't sound too promising, does it? Very worrying from my standpoint i have zero optimism about this move and trezeguet may be the better option as far as im concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post randy_69 Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 I remember being in Manchester (yuk) one evening and a load of Lyon fans rolled into the pub prior to a champions league game with manure. I got talking to them and they laughed their socks off when I started praising Carew. They genuinely thought he was useless and Baros the better player... ...my point is that sometimes we as fans see what we want to see - there is always a scapegoat. Remember Lyon finished 7th last season which for them (a team considering themselves a French superpower) was their lowest league position since 1996. Very easy to focus angst at one man, particularly if he is being played out of position as a wing back as some have suggested. The first figure quoted (£25m) was obscene and I'd have been disappointed if we'd paid that, but the figure now is well within the realms of a standard premier league fee. We certainly lacked that next gear of pace as both El Ghazi and Trezeguet struggled to routinely beat full backs. Let's get behind him... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, MentalM said: Have you witnessed any of this? Stop making things up to make it fit your agenda A lyon fan words on twitter not mine. Take from it what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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