Generic Virus Thread

[fightoffyour]

43 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Thats why you do social distancing and masks indoors

So I’m supposed to meet my mates in Primark and stand 2 metres away from them in the next aisle?

31 minutes ago, brommy said:

I personally don’t have an issue with those drinking outside overnight in the cold, but given some very close proximity, I wouldn’t be sure the ‘much lower’ transmission risk outside was as accurate as studies, that may not have considered such closeness, suggested.

There have been quite a few studies on football and rugby matches recently in which they analysed periods of contact between teams after one of them returned loads of positive tests after the game, and yet no opposition players in any of the reports caught Covid despite multiple prolonged interactions as you would expect during those sports.

Edited April 12, 2021 by fightoffyour

[brommy]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

I agree, but unfortunately they are usually sneered at and called pathetic and selfish.

There’s plenty of times me or the wife will comment on how well those in the generation below us (<30) have coped/behaved during this pandemic but we don’t post on mainstream social media and it doesn’t excite on a football forum. Perhaps it’s time to simply ignore those who shout the loudest and not cloud them with the decent majority.

[brommy]

7 minutes ago, bickster said:

State of my hair that armband will become a bandana

Brilliant and I need one too! Looking forward to a cut on Thursday morning!

[chrisp65]

10 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

I have young lad, think he is 21, at my work place who I asked to do some work related tasks for me this week and it transpired he was taking Monday and Tuesday off. First thing I thought was I bet he is taking the time off as the pubs are reopening and I was right as he was meeting up with his mates. 

He has pretty much lost a year of his life in terms of socializing and when I think to when I was his age in terms of going out the weekend started on a Thursday night and didn't end until the early hours of Monday morning. I get that him and many others like him will have been desperate to meet up with their mates in a social environment like the pub.

I think the young are owed a huge debt of gratitude, but I suspect they won't be getting it, as they have arguably made the greatest sacrifices for others in the main as they are the least affected in terms of getting ill from covid. 

We keep on being divided in to competing factions.

He’s 21 and he’s lost a chunk of his life. I agree with that, completely. But let’s not try and measure if it was a more or less important year than someone else’s year.

He’s got 50 years to catch up, his parents have possibly got 15 left. Having spent the last 21 going in to debt and stress for that little arsewipe.

 

 

 

[StefanAVFC]

5 minutes ago, brommy said:

There’s plenty of times me or the wife will comment on how well those in the generation below us (<30) have coped/behaved during this pandemic but we don’t post on mainstream social media and it doesn’t excite on a football forum. Perhaps it’s time to simply ignore those who shout the loudest and not cloud them with the decent majority.

I have seen much more sneering and judgement of young people than thanks, across all mediums throughout this pandemic unfortunately. 

[tom_avfc]

8 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

I have young lad, think he is 21, at my work place who I asked to do some work related tasks for me this week and it transpired he was taking Monday and Tuesday off. First thing I thought was I bet he is taking the time off as the pubs are reopening and I was right as he was meeting up with his mates. 

He has pretty much lost a year of his life in terms of socializing and when I think to when I was his age in terms of going out the weekend started on a Thursday night and didn't end until the early hours of Monday morning. I get that him and many others like him will have been desperate to meet up with their mates in a social environment like the pub.

I think the young are owed a huge debt of gratitude, but I suspect they won't be getting it, as they have arguably made the greatest sacrifices for others in the main as they are the least affected in terms of getting ill from covid. 

These arguments as to who has had it worse are pretty pointless and have been done before. Tell the 80 year old who has lost a husband or wife of 60 years without being able to be by their bedside that they've had it easier than the 21 year old who can't go to the pub. Tell the lady who got told that she'd miscarried without her partner being allowed to go to the appointment with her that she's had it easier than either of the above. 

I'm not sure what it achieves trying to play one age group off against another and that's coming from someone who isn't a lot older than the group of people that you're arguing have made the greatest sacrifices of all.

Everyone has had a pretty tough time of it some more than others in every age group across the country. Asking for a bit of common sense and some compliance with the social distancing regulations when restrictions are lifted isn't that much to ask in the grand scheme of things. Again I'd blame the venue as much as the people and given that the venue is now under investigation I guess the lesson should be learned.

[Brumerican]

To be fair it was you under 40 scum what  gone done got us into this darn situation.

With your hoity-toity  instagram cuisine and adrenaline based Tik Tok challenge lifestyles..   It was all fun and games in the avocado on toast days but you had to push it !  

Then came the fry ups served inside a CHEP pallet and next thing you know it's bat souffle in a boot-ageddon.

 

Then again my generation made all the pubs yellow.

[Ingram85]

15 minutes ago, tom_avfc said:

These arguments as to who has had it worse are pretty pointless and have been done before. Tell the 80 year old who has lost a husband or wife of 60 years without being able to be by their bedside that they've had it easier than the 21 year old who can't go to the pub. Tell the lady who got told that she'd miscarried without her partner being allowed to go to the appointment with her that she's had it easier than either of the above. 

I'm not sure what it achieves trying to play one age group off against another and that's coming from someone who isn't a lot older than the group of people that you're arguing have made the greatest sacrifices of all.

Everyone has had a pretty tough time of it some more than others in every age group across the country. Asking for a bit of common sense and some compliance with the social distancing regulations when restrictions are lifted isn't that much to ask in the grand scheme of things. Again I'd blame the venue as much as the people and given that the venue is now under investigation I guess the lesson should be learned.

Best post yet on all this. Spot on. 

[brommy]

6 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

So I’m supposed to meet my mates in Primark and stand 2 metres away from them in the next aisle?

There have been quite a few studies on football and rugby matches recently in which they analysed periods of contact between teams after one of the teams re returned loads of positive tests after the game, and yet no opposition players in any of the reports caught Covid from them despite multiple prolonged interactions as you would expect during those sports.

Unfortunately those studies by their very nature are limited in data size. There’s absolutely no doubt being outdoors reduces the risk but the method of transmission indicates proximity to others when unmasked must be a factor. I’d consider the risk of catching COVID being masked and 2 metres away from someone indoors lower than talking unmasked to someone 0.5 metres away, even outdoors. Pre-COVID, I can’t be alone in having accidentally been spat on by someone talking up close in or outdoors, so that would suggest the transmission risk is still there. I would say that between masked indoors at 2 metres and unmasked outdoors at a typical talking distance of say 1.5m, I’d prefer to be doing the latter but I expect the government consider that message unclear. I accept the photos of those engaging much closer than 1.5m represent a small minority compared with the rest of us who will enjoy a drink or three outside in close proximity with family/friends from one or two households but maintaining a reasonable distance, say 2 metres, from other groups. I’m happy to trust that vast majority will continue to do their best to meet the guidelines and not get wound up over a few that don’t.

[fightoffyour]

2 minutes ago, brommy said:

Unfortunately those studies by their very nature are limited in data size. There’s absolutely no doubt being outdoors reduces the risk but the method of transmission indicates proximity to others when unmasked must be a factor. I’d consider the risk of catching COVID being masked and 2 metres away from someone indoors lower than talking unmasked to someone 0.5 metres away, even outdoors. Pre-COVID, I can’t be alone in having accidentally been spat on by someone talking up close in or outdoors, so that would suggest the transmission risk is still there. I would say that between masked indoors at 2 metres and unmasked outdoors at a typical talking distance of say 1.5m, I’d prefer to be doing the latter but I expect the government consider that message unclear. I accept the photos of those engaging much closer than 1.5m represent a small minority compared with the rest of us who will enjoy a drink or three outside in close proximity with family/friends from one or two households but maintaining a reasonable distance, say 2 metres, from other groups. I’m happy to trust that vast majority will continue to do their best to meet the guidelines and not get wound up over a few that don’t.

You're right about the limited sample size of course but I still don't think people generally (and I include myself in that) have very good intuition (or indeed knowledge) about transmission via droplets indoors or outdoors.

My feeling would be that you'd be more likely to catch it indoors regardless of everybody wearing masks (which have never been supposed to protect the wearer, in general) or the levels of distance, simply because of the amount of droplets circulating around in a closed space (unless well ventilated/air conditioned) versus outside where they are instantaneously diluted in the abundant fresh air. But I don't have any evidence for that nor claim to be an expert or even know anything, just a feeling as I said - but I think most people's instinct, like yours, is the other way around.

[brommy]

29 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I have seen much more sneering and judgement of young people than thanks, across all mediums throughout this pandemic unfortunately. 

As I wanted to convey, that’s likely because the sneering and judgement is ‘louder’ and more repeatable, especially on social media, than the ‘that’s good of him/her/them’ praise that is commonly not spread. It’s probably no surprise that most people I speak with are in my age bracket and have children in their teens and twenties (I have a son 23 and daughter 21) and we often mention how tough it’s been on the younger age groups and that it would have been crap to miss out on a year of socialising at that age, especially as a year as a teenager seems like forever. That we don’t choose to or feel the need to publicise doesn’t detract from our numbers.

[Seat68]

Is this the culture war the daily mail warned me about? I remember the indie wars. Bad times man. 

[brommy]

8 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

You're right about the limited sample size of course but I still don't think people generally (and I include myself in that) have very good intuition (or indeed knowledge) about transmission via droplets indoors or outdoors.

My feeling would be that you'd be more likely to catch it indoors regardless of everybody wearing masks (which have never been supposed to protect the wearer, in general) or the levels of distance, simply because of the amount of droplets circulating around in a closed space (unless well ventilated/air conditioned) versus outside where they are instantaneously diluted in the abundant fresh air. But I don't have any evidence for that nor claim to be an expert or even know anything, just a feeling as I said - but I think most people's instinct, like yours, is the other way around.

Indeed. There will be lines of risk that cross at some point. Shouting in someone’s unmasked face outdoors will probably be riskier than walking around a supermarket, masked, distanced, sanitising hands before and after and not touching ones face in between. Talking outdoors and unmasked to someone at a typical 1.5m distance will likely be a lower risk than many masked and distanced indoor activities. Despite what some photos appear to show, I’m confident the vast majority of last night’s outdoor socialising was lower in risk than some permitted masked and distanced indoor activities. I don’t necessarily agree with but can understand why some people cling to the 2m indoors or outdoors guidance and are somewhat triggered by any ‘toe to toe’ outdoor socialising. I just keep it in context - 99% of the ‘out of group’ socialising closer than 2 metres is still safer than what’s permitted indoors and the 1% behaving in a manner that isn’t safer shouldn’t surprise me or spoil it for myself and others to meet within the guidelines.

[mjmooney]

I assume that pub in Cov (and others like it) had to apply for a special licence to open between midnight and 6 am? If so, I'm amazed that the council and/or police OK'd it under current conditions. I'd be interested to know what level of carnage ensued later in the night (there may have been none, I'm just curious). 

[Demitri_C]

"Sneering" exaggerate much?

Anyway onto the actual subject, they are entitled to go in freezing cold at 12am if they wish thats fine. I think ita ridiculous but thats my opinion to have.

The pub should have better regulated it no question but if your limited in space what can they actually do. 

 

[Genie]

On that Coventry pub

Quote

Hundreds of people queued outside a Coventry pub which opened at midnight as lockdown restrictions eased.

Darren Lee, owner of the Oak Inn, said 260 customers were seated in groups of up to six at its outside tables - but 300 to 400 people were turned away.

He said crowds at the Gosford Street pub were "very well behaved" and police were satisfied with the situation.

However, Coventry City Council said it was investigating to see whether it followed rules .

Short video of the massive queue on the bbc link

edit: Twitter link for easy clicking 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Genie

[bickster]

21 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

I assume that pub in Cov (and others like it) had to apply for a special licence to open between midnight and 6 am?

I think that isn't a correct assumption, we have plenty of establishments with 24/7 licences now. They don't use the full 24 normally but there's nothing to stop them if they see fit. They are pretty much all in the city centre but its perfectly possible to come out of a nightclub at 7am on a Sunday morning and carrying drinking straight away in BrexitPub Chain

[Xela]

5 hours ago, darrenm said:

Social anxiety. Nerves. That's all it is. Something for the fingers to fiddle with to burn some nervous energy

I used that excuse in Mothercare but apparently its classed as lewd behaviour. One rule for one...

[Xela]

Just read the last 10 pages. 

Feel like heading to a packed pub now  

Seriously, I can see why people have gone out but its not for me. I'll wait a bit longer. Then again i'm 41, not 21. Its good to see people back out spending money, people working and the economy moving. I get the concerns about virus transmission, but what else we gonna do? Stay locked down forever. We need to move forward and re-start the country. 

[sidcow]

4 hours ago, tom_avfc said:

These arguments as to who has had it worse are pretty pointless and have been done before. Tell the 80 year old who has lost a husband or wife of 60 years without being able to be by their bedside that they've had it easier than the 21 year old who can't go to the pub. Tell the lady who got told that she'd miscarried without her partner being allowed to go to the appointment with her that she's had it easier than either of the above. 

I'm not sure what it achieves trying to play one age group off against another and that's coming from someone who isn't a lot older than the group of people that you're arguing have made the greatest sacrifices of all.

Everyone has had a pretty tough time of it some more than others in every age group across the country. Asking for a bit of common sense and some compliance with the social distancing regulations when restrictions are lifted isn't that much to ask in the grand scheme of things. Again I'd blame the venue as much as the people and given that the venue is now under investigation I guess the lesson should be learned.

Snowflake.