Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 No they dont they just being sensible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: Not specifically queuing up at 12 last night just returning to pubs and shops for example and even the parks a week or so ago. The papers will already have their pictures of crowds of people ready along with the sub text that it’s now anti social behavior and having no regard for Covid etc. This i could agree with if its proven the pics are fake and taken a whole ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 What defines sensible? Your sensible might be different to a 21 year bloke, not in any risk groups, who's been locked down and not seen his mates for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, from a pure transmission-reduction perspective, the ideal is for people to be spread out more than they appear to be in that photo (though people should also consider that telephoto lenses have a well-known foreshortening effect that makes objects that are actually separated appear as if they are next to each other, so that photo may not tell the whole story). However, reduction of transmission is not the only relevant perspective to the situation. Clearly, people can't all be 2 metres apart from everyone in their party, that's just not going to be a realistic expectation at pubs across the land. Apart from anything, people would have to shout themselves hoarse. We know this, but we are still opening pubs, because right now the risk of transmission is low, especially outdoors, and the benefits of people being able to socialise with their friends, and the benefits to the economy, outweigh the risks. Different people have different risk tolerances. If people reading the thread feel panicked by seeing that photo, then they may not be ready to get back to socialising, and that's fine. But the decision that pubs can serve drinks outdoors has been made because there is little community transmission right now, and little (almost no) risk to outdoor socialising. I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying here. As I say if people want to socialise then they're more than welcome to and the rule of 6 / 2 households allows for people to meet friends etc. It doesn't panic me that there is a photo with a load of people crammed together more than make me question the decision making of those people. I've got a table booked outside at a pub later on in the week. If I was to turn up and people were on top of each other with strangers crammed together I'd move on and make note not to book at that same pub again. If that makes me one of these people who "live to be scared" etc as people are accusing others of then fair enough. I'd see it more as exercising a bit of common sense and not putting myself into risky situations for no reason. I'm of an age where if I caught Covid I'd probably be OK but even so with long Covid I'd probably err on the side of caution/common sense than the people in that photo appear to do (again agreed on the potential that the picture is misleading). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 I'm not criticising anyone for wanting to get back to some normalcy. I can sympathise more than most - I've spent over a year alone at this point. It's just I find the whole prioritisation of the pub as a bit sad. Obviously the pub is a big part of social life in this country but there's almost been this longing for being able to go get a beer that I simply do not get. There's been other avenues of keeping in touch with people, for periods there's been other ways of meeting up with people outdoors. But it almost seems that everything else can wait so long as we can go to the pub again. Which I just find a bit sad somehow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted April 12, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Its not normal to go pub at 12am on a sunday/monday morning even during normal times! Isn't it? Who says? Judging other people by your own life and determining your own life to be "normal" is pretty common. What is normal to you isn't normal to others. Plenty of people go out at Midnight for a drink, you just don't know about it because you're in bed (or whatever else it is that you do at that time) Also claiming something isn't normal in the current times we live in is just a strange concept. Nothings frigging normal 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: What defines sensible? Your sensible might be different to a 21 year bloke, not in any risk groups, who's been locked down and not seen his mates for months. He doesn’t need the pub to see his mates, and not at midnight either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 Got to be honest, the miserable bastards moaning don't sound like people I'd want to go to the pub with anyway 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Brumerican said: I think some people just want to stare at their phones whilst life passes them by surrounded by familiar faces rather than in bed and that's understandable. There’s one for the things I don’t get thread! I’ll never understand why a group of people, typically under 35 to 40 in my experience, spend much of their time on their phones ignoring the friends they are physically with, presumably social media posting/messaging others who aren’t there. This was highlighted to me when out with friends a couple of years ago in a busy bar in Birmingham city centre. My wife noticed some women in their mid/late twenties all stood in an obvious group. 8 women were staring down at their phones or taking photos of their drink, whilst the 9th woman looked bored with no one to talk to. Why not focus on who you are with at that moment and save the chat with others until you’re more available or actually see them? You’ll also have something to talk about instead of hearing “I know mate, you told me that last night when you were out with your other mates”. I appreciate this makes me sound ancient! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: He doesn’t need the pub to see his mates, and not at midnight either. But who are you to judge his decision as pathetic, or to say that he needs to seek help if that's the decision he wants to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Hasn’t anyone got pictures of people queuing outside Primark at 5am that we can slag off instead? Surely we’re all agreed that they really are the saddos of this world. Innit I have more affinity with the midnight drinkers than the 5am Primarkers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: No they dont they just being sensible There you go Dem. Straight from Boris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: I'm not criticising anyone for wanting to get back to some normalcy. I can sympathise more than most - I've spent over a year alone at this point. It's just I find the whole prioritisation of the pub as a bit sad. Obviously the pub is a big part of social life in this country but there's almost been this longing for being able to go get a beer that I simply do not get. There's been other avenues of keeping in touch with people, for periods there's been other ways of meeting up with people outdoors. But it almost seems that everything else can wait so long as we can go to the pub again. Which I just find a bit sad somehow. I think it’s just what the pubs represent more than buying a questionable pint for 4.50, if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: But who are you to judge his decision as pathetic, or to say that he needs to seek help if that's the decision he wants to make? Just having an opinion like everyone else. Btw, How many times are you going to repeat that false statement? “repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth” Nowadays you need a catchy 3 word slogan if you want it to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: It doesn't panic me that there is a photo with a load of people crammed together more than make me question the decision making of those people. I've got a table booked outside at a pub later on in the week. If I was to turn up and people were on top of each other with strangers crammed together I'd move on and make note not to book at that same pub again. If that makes me one of these people who "live to be scared" etc as people are accusing others of then fair enough. I'd see it more as exercising a bit of common sense and not putting myself into risky situations for no reason. That's fair, and as I say, different people have different risk tolerances. We need to avoid getting caught into a 'you must be immediately okay with everything' versus 'you must never be okay with anything' binary. It's natural that some people will want to socialise straight away, others might take a few days or weeks to feel comfortable, and others still might take significantly longer. But people should be trusted to make their own minds up; we have taken the decision to open pubs to drinking outdoors - correctly IMO - and so now we should let people get on with it, at whatever their level of comfort is. The good news is that factually, socialising outdoors is very low risk. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Genie said: Just having an opinion like everyone else. Btw, How many times are you going to repeat that false statement? “repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth” Nowadays you need a catchy 3 word slogan if you want it to stick. Which statement? That you called them pathetic or that you said they needed to seek help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, brommy said: There’s one for the things I don’t get thread! I’ll never understand why a group of people, typically under 35 to 40 in my experience, spend much of their time on their phones ignoring the friends they are physically with, presumably social media posting/messaging others who aren’t there. This was highlighted to me when out with friends a couple of years ago in a busy bar in Birmingham city centre. My wife noticed some women in their mid/late twenties all stood in an obvious group. 8 women were staring down at their phones or taking photos of their drink, whilst the 9th woman looked bored with no one to talk to. Why not focus on who you are with at that moment and save the chat with others until you’re more available or actually see them? You’ll also have something to talk about instead of hearing “I know mate, you told me that last night when you were out with your other mates”. I appreciate this makes me sound ancient! It has become a very strange social norm that one. Large groups of women are terrible for it and you often see young couples out where they are both just staring blankly at their phone, bit of a shame really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paddywhack Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 Wow, 5 new pages on the corona thread in 1 hour! I wonder what's happened. A queue. 3 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That's fair, and as I say, different people have different risk tolerances. We need to avoid getting caught into a 'you must be immediately okay with everything' versus 'you must never be okay with anything' binary. It's natural that some people will want to socialise straight away, others might take a few days or weeks to feel comfortable, and others still might take significantly longer. But people should be trusted to make their own minds up; we have taken the decision to open pubs to drinking outdoors - correctly IMO - and so now we should let people get on with it, at whatever their level of comfort is. The good news is that factually, socialising outdoors is very low risk. I completely agree my only question would be as to whether what's going on there is within the rules as they are. As far as I'm aware social distancing hasn't gone out of the window because pubs have opened and the venues and the people going to the venues still have a responsibility to each other to keep people safe. People should be free to get on with it within the rules that are in place. It's probably not an issue now anyway as I'd imagine its very much a one off "pubs are opening so lets go and queue" attitude that's led to it. For all anyone knows once people were in the venue everything could have been done properly. All I'd say is that if those scenes were happening up and down the country regularly then I'm not convinced the pubs will be open for particularly long again. The constant pushing of rules to extreme limits is in my mind a large part of why the restrictions have had to remain in place for so long to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, brommy said: There’s one for the things I don’t get thread! I’ll never understand why a group of people, typically under 35 to 40 in my experience, spend much of their time on their phones ignoring the friends they are physically with, presumably social media posting/messaging others who aren’t there. This was highlighted to me when out with friends a couple of years ago in a busy bar in Birmingham city centre. My wife noticed some women in their mid/late twenties all stood in an obvious group. 8 women were staring down at their phones or taking photos of their drink, whilst the 9th woman looked bored with no one to talk to. Why not focus on who you are with at that moment and save the chat with others until you’re more available or actually see them? You’ll also have something to talk about instead of hearing “I know mate, you told me that last night when you were out with your other mates”. I appreciate this makes me sound ancient! Modern life innit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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