brommy Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Unless I'm mistaken, these people are queuing *outside* to have a pint *outside*. It's a very low risk activity. I’m genuinely interested to see whether the data showing transmission risk is much lower when outdoors, included people standing so close you could nearly feel the adjacent person’s breath on you. I can understand why the government doesn’t want to muddy the message of 2 metre distancing by saying for example 1.5m is okay outdoors, but crowds at 1 metre or less must surely increase transmission, even outdoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: Slightly aside from the 'discussion' above, I have found the desperation behind getting back to the pub kinda sad. ‘The Pub’ = normality and socialising. Whats sad about wanting that? I think what’s sad is how the boundaries of normality have been tested so much in the past 12 months that we’ve ended up with an army of robots parroting the governments lines on what is and isn’t acceptable. But that’s just me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: Its not pathetic and its not weird. People want time with their friends. People are on furlough, people work shifts. Not everyone is happy sitting in their house and being at a computer 9-5. On a sunday night 12am standing in freezing cold for what reason? I think its ridiculous but wach to their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Yeah because gyms are outdoors in the freezing cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) Maybe people just wanted to see their friends rather than go to the pub specifically. Maybe they're working on Monday evening. Not everyone has a garden. Would I go outside in sub zero temperatures to see my best mates tonight if I could? Too **** right I would. Edited April 12, 2021 by fightoffyour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, fightoffyour said: Maybe people just wanted to see their friends rather than go to the pub specifically. Maybe they're working on Monday evening. Not everyone has a garden. Do you see your mates 12am on a sunday usually though? I mean just wait the next day and go to the shops after with them Or if you can wait a lil longer go pub when you finish work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Gyms are a higher COVID risk than being outside in a pub garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I think some people just want to stare at their phones whilst life passes them by surrounded by familiar faces rather than in bed and that's understandable. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Do you see your mates 12am on a sunday usually though? I mean just wait the next day and go to the shops after with them Or if you can wait a lil longer go pub when you finish work No I wouldn't normally see them at 12am on Sunday, nor would I not normally see them for more than 6 months. I just answered all of your other questions before you even asked them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Maybe people just wanted to see their friends rather than go to the pub specifically. Maybe they're working on Monday evening. Not everyone has a garden. Would I go outside in sub zero temperatures to see my best mates tonight if I could? Too **** right I would. Could you not have met them in a park during the day time and taken a drink with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, fightoffyour said: No I wouldn't normally see them at 12am on Sunday, nor would I not normally see them for more than 6 months. I just answered all of your other questions before you even asked them. I wouldnt either. I have a huge family and i am close to alot of thwm. Yet i havent seen them in over a year like most. But that woulsnt make me desperate to stand outaide freezing at 12am on a sunday night! If it was indoors i would get it but not in the current climate rules for pubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Could you not have met them in a park during the day time and taken a drink with you? No, I haven't seen them because I can't travel to the UK. I'm just saying that being cold wouldn't be the thing to stop me doing something that I badly wanted to do, given the opportunity. Edited April 12, 2021 by fightoffyour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Maybe people just wanted to see their friends rather than go to the pub specifically. Maybe they're working on Monday evening. Not everyone has a garden. Would I go outside in sub zero temperatures to see my best mates tonight if I could? Too **** right I would. This is probably pretty close to my take. Although having said that if I turned up at said pub and people were packed together practically breathing into each other's faces in a queue I'd move along rather than take the chance. Maybe that's me being over cautious but surely people should have a bit of common sense. If I was going to go out last night at midnight I'd probably have gone somewhere that was taking bookings for tables rather than stand face to face with strangers in a queue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: Yeah I agree with this but at the same time it's a bit stupid to have people crammed together like that isn't it. It's an increased risk from those same people queuing in a socially distanced manner and in reality there's no reason for people to be cramming close together as if there was never a pandemic in the first place. I mean, from a pure transmission-reduction perspective, the ideal is for people to be spread out more than they appear to be in that photo (though people should also consider that telephoto lenses have a well-known foreshortening effect that makes objects that are actually separated appear as if they are next to each other, so that photo may not tell the whole story). However, reduction of transmission is not the only relevant perspective to the situation. Clearly, people can't all be 2 metres apart from everyone in their party, that's just not going to be a realistic expectation at pubs across the land. Apart from anything, people would have to shout themselves hoarse. We know this, but we are still opening pubs, because right now the risk of transmission is low, especially outdoors, and the benefits of people being able to socialise with their friends, and the benefits to the economy, outweigh the risks. Different people have different risk tolerances. If people reading the thread feel panicked by seeing that photo, then they may not be ready to get back to socialising, and that's fine. But the decision that pubs can serve drinks outdoors has been made because there is little community transmission right now, and little (almost no) risk to outdoor socialising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) It’s quite sad that people wanting to return to what was perfectly normal behavior 14 months ago now has a significant percentage of the population calling them weird or selfish or preparing to blame them for any possible increase in the rates. I don’t comment on this thread too much but I do mostly agree with what Stefan has been saying for months, I get the need to protect people but at times it feels like we have lost our minds in terms of risks, perceptions or risks and attitudes to viruses now, it does seem like some people just don’t want to return to normal life and will slander anyone else that does as selfish. Edited April 12, 2021 by AVFCDAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Are people wilfully ignoring bits that don’t fit their argument? People work shifts, people may fancy a drink at 12 with friends as they normally do pre covid and it just so happens they are able to do it again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, AVFCDAN said: It’s quite sad that people wanting to return to what was perfectly normal behavior 14 months ago now has a significant percentage of the population calling them weird or selfish or preparing to blame them for any possible increase in the rates. Its not normal to go pub at 12am on a sunday/monday morning even during normal times! And if they were open you wouldnt all be crammed together outside. Thats our point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I'm sick of being pub shamed! Damn persecution! Leave Britney alone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Demitri_C said: Its not normal to go pub at 12am on a sunday/monday morning even during normal times! And if they were open you wouldnt all be crammed together outside. Thats our point Not specifically queuing up at 12 last night just returning to pubs and shops for example and even the parks a week or so ago. The papers will already have their pictures of crowds of people ready along with the sub text that it’s now anti social behavior and having no regard for Covid etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Some people live to be scared and told what to do by their government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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