Seat68 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 A bit pissed off. I have hardly left the house, when I do I stay away from people, wear a mask etc. Yesterday was the first day in the office. Same, mask and distance etc. Today I get a notification that I need to self isolate due to proximity to a plague victim. This is **** irritating and I forgot that I even had the bloody app on my phone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I'm finding Sweden funny. They first didn't want to believe the reports on the AZ vaccine. They continued using it. Fair enough. Their covid tactic has been a horror show from day one with that moron Tegnell in charge. Maybe they are accepting a vaccine with serious side effects is what they need to get out of it. Then this week they are reporting the highest numbers in Europe. Literally worse than Poland who has been struggling massively. After that report they go out and say no to J&J, which is basically the same type of vaccine of AZ. Insert confused gif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Seat68 said: A bit pissed off. I have hardly left the house, when I do I stay away from people, wear a mask etc. Yesterday was the first day in the office. Same, mask and distance etc. Today I get a notification that I need to self isolate due to proximity to a plague victim. This is **** irritating and I forgot that I even had the bloody app on my phone. Our system is just as dumb. If a person at work gets corona they notify everyone in the building at that time. But they won't let people know who that person is due to privacy rights or something. BUT if that person has been in close contact with you, then they will let you know. The way they decide this is by this person making a list of people he/she's been in contact with. So 5-10 days back a person is supposed to remember who they were talking to. Mean while us others who were in the building are really worried about whether we've been in contact with that person, but are getting no information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Seat68 said: A bit pissed off. I have hardly left the house, when I do I stay away from people, wear a mask etc. Yesterday was the first day in the office. Same, mask and distance etc. Today I get a notification that I need to self isolate due to proximity to a plague victim. This is **** irritating and I forgot that I even had the bloody app on my phone. How long since you were vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I'm finding Sweden funny. They first didn't want to believe the reports on the AZ vaccine. They continued using it. Fair enough. Their covid tactic has been a horror show from day one with that moron Tegnell in charge. Maybe they are accepting a vaccine with serious side effects is what they need to get out of it. Then this week they are reporting the highest numbers in Europe. Literally worse than Poland who has been struggling massively. After that report they go out and say no to J&J, which is basically the same type of vaccine of AZ. Insert confused gif. The population of Sweden is 10m. If they vaccinated their entire population with AstraZeneca or Johnson and Johnson they would lose 10 people to blood clots in total. Yesterday they lost 60 people to Coronavirus in a single day. More will die tomorrow and the day after and the day after. That's whats hard to figure. Edited April 15, 2021 by sidcow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, bickster said: How long since you were vaccinated? 4 weeks ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, sidcow said: The population of Sweden is 10m. If they vaccinated their entire population with AstraZeneca or Johnson and Johnson they would lose 10 people to blood clots in total. Yesterday they lost 60 people to Coronavirus in a single day. More will die tomorrow and the day after and the day after. That's whats hard to figure. I'm not sure I get your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, Seat68 said: 4 weeks ago now. In reality, its just another 2 weeks working from home, which is a bit of a bummer but in the grand scheme of things at least you can continue to oil the bucking bronco while pretending to work for a little longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I'm not sure I get your point The point is they should keep vaccinating with as many vaccines of any flavour they can get. To not do so means they kill more of their citizens than the vaccines ever will. Edited April 15, 2021 by sidcow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I'm not sure I get your point It's the same point you haven't been getting for weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Isn’t the app telling you to isolate just advice? I’m not advocating spreading the lurgy around, but if someone is sure they didn’t actually have contact with anyone and they’ve already been (partially) vaccinated, and they also don’t plan to be in contact with anyone outside their household then...well, the risks are probably pretty minimal. Besides you don’t have to have the app (turned on) and therefore you don’t have to have received that advice, as far as I know. Edited April 15, 2021 by fightoffyour 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: The population of Sweden is 10m. If they vaccinated their entire population with AstraZeneca or Johnson and Johnson they would lose 10 people to blood clots. Yesterday they lost 60 people to Coronavirus. That's whats hard to figure. I think I've sussed out the psychology of vaccine reluctance. OK, one in a million chance of dying from a blood clot, as against one in a hundred of dying from covid. No brainer, right? But I think it's the fact that the jab is deliberately administered by a human being, after you've made the conscious decision to let them do it. Low risk, yes, but if you fall unlucky, it's somebody's fault (mainly your own). You can't say it was just 'an act of God' like covid - a random risk that (beyond a few precautions) ultimately cannot be avoided, the sort of thing that we accept in daily life. It's completely irrational, but that's homo 'sapiens' for you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: The point is they should keep vaccinating with as many vaccines of any flavour they can get. You do understand it's not a totalitarian state right? What still isn't grasped here is that there are several vaccines that are performing better, thus people will opt out. Even in scandinavia where the greater good theory is anchored stronger than the rest of the world, people will see they are in a small risk of contracting something worse than covid and they will wait. The government can't MAKE them take it. Edited April 15, 2021 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: You do understand it's not a totalitarian state right? What still isn't grasped here is that there are several vaccines that are performing better, thus people will opt out. Even in scandinavia where the greater good theory is anchored stronger than the rest of the world, people will see they are in a small risk of contracting something worse than covid and they will wait. The government can't MAKE them take it. I wasn't suggesting they force people to the ground and shove a needle in them. I'm sure there are still SOME sensible, level headed people who can do straightforward maths and agree to take one of the vaccine's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: You do understand it's not a totalitarian state right? What still isn't grasped here is that there are several vaccines that are performing better, thus people will opt out. Even in scandinavia where the greater good theory is anchored stronger than the rest of the world, people will see they are in a small risk of contracting something worse than covid and they will wait. The government can't MAKE them take it. But how many people will die of Covid because of or while they’re waiting for those other vaccines which are (currently) deemed safer? Right now that’s quite clearly many more than who would die of blood clots. So no, people can’t be forced to take something, but they can be educated about relative risks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: The government can't MAKE them take it. I'm afraid in the coming months the government will do their absolute best to try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, bickster said: In reality, its just another 2 weeks working from home, which is a bit of a bummer but in the grand scheme of things at least you can continue to oil the bucking bronco while pretending to work for a little longer Got my chaps on and considering a line dance round the kitchen. In reality staying in for 2 weeks is probably normal now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, Seat68 said: Got my chaps on and considering a line dance round the kitchen. In reality staying in for 2 weeks is probably normal now. Can you not go take a test to get the all clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: I wasn't suggesting they force people to the ground and shove a needle in them. I'm sure there are still SOME sensible, level headed people who can do straightforward maths and agree to take one of the vaccine's. I think everyone here are open to take the Pfizer one. Everyone knows the importance of vaccines bar a small crazy community, but for vaccines the reputation of being safe really is the alpha and omega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Meanwhile in the shining example of how to deal with the virus of Germany https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56662724 Quote Germany’s rising infection number – 29,426 in the past 24 hours – has prompted intensive care doctors to appeal for urgent action. Chancellor Angela Merkel is pushing for a nationwide emergency brake including a night-time curfew and school closures where incidence rates are high – but legal experts have raised concerns, particularly about the curfew. Leading emergency medicine specialist Christian Karagiannidis says there’s no time to wait. Oohh, also an interesting little snippet just beneath that story. 82% of positive rapid tests 'were correct' Quote Most positive rapid coronavirus tests taken since 8 March appear to have returned a correct result, according to data seen by the BBC. Analysis of data from Public Health England shows 82% sent off for a confirmatory PCR test returned the same positive result. All secondary school pupils in England have been asked to carry out two tests a week since schools reopened. There had been concerns that many would have to self-isolate needlessly. But this data suggests these fears may be unfounded. Edited April 15, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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