Junxs Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Might be the perfect time to give him a few minutes here and there with no fans in the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Needs a loan spell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 This is his first season with the U23s, in total I don't think he's even played ten games at that level, he's just now getting going as he missed preseason and then the start of the season. Doubt he'll be going anywhere on loan this season, would probably struggle to find him a team at a decent level unless they gave him a chance based on reputation alone, Jacob Ramsey got a loan move to Doncaster but he was older, had already played for our first team and had much more experience at U23 level. I think he'll stay with us for the season and if we have nothing to play for as such with games to spare then he might even make his debut, or maybe even before then if we get injuries. Will then be in a better position to get a decent loan move in the summer if that's what they decide is best for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TRO said: Long way to go. Which is why you loan players out. If we can send a couple of our lads out together we build up a bond between them and helps them develop as well. If we don't charge a loan fee like Chelsea, city, spurs, Liverpool do then we can start sending out talent to thechampionship and league 1 and really kick on with our player development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MotoMkali said: Which is why you loan players out. If we can send a couple of our lads out together we build up a bond between them and helps them develop as well. If we don't charge a loan fee like Chelsea, city, spurs, Liverpool do then we can start sending out talent to thechampionship and league 1 and really kick on with our player development. I'd like to think our only concerns will be whether they'll play, how the team who wants them plays and their quality of coaching. I agree that it could be a good idea to get them out together. Most of the loanees from the clubs you name only had high loan fees as they were bought with 1st team experience or had successful loan spells in the past. We'd only get pennies for youngsters and I can't see it being worth holding out for a bit more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Needs to be let loose in first team like Ramsey,Vasilev or we will have a scenario all over again like we did with a load of the youth we recently let go. Cant keep putting a blasted safety net over these youngsters and keeping them locked into the youth teams or not send them on loan. Let the Yout lose if they deserve the first team appearance and they are putting in class performances. I've been dying to see youth since Smith came in and to be honest I'm pissed that all we have seen is cameos and a slight bit of game time last year. Abit of game time from Ramsey and Vaslilev last season isnt good enough. There will be a time our first eleven gets tired, gets injured and who do we have left, the fringe squad, i would not play them over our youth after there appauling defeat in the cup, they need to be moved on from the club to make way for better players. We are wasting time the more matches we do not play and blood in the youth, even if it's for twenty mins of a game or even fifteen, it is time we see there potential. When the youth come on the pitch they may not put in a great performance straight away but what we should be more concerned about is the experience they gain from it at playing against the best in the best league in the world. Hold these youth back and you will see another bunch of lost lads, let them lose and you will see what they can do. I cant stand this idea that some of you have where you say it could break them if they play first team. It is rubbish to say a youth will be destroyed in the premier league as we do not know there potential, they are more than capable of excellent runs, that's why they are at that level behind the first team in the league with us. It's time to start believing and let them run riot against the league, we need them now on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 genuine question that i dont know the answer to - is there currently any 17 year old getting games in the PL? we're currently playing 16 - 18 year olds in the U23s and despite the expectation we're not smashing that league because for all the talent there are other elements to football such as physicality and experience that they're struggling with just let them come through naturally, we've assembled this great academy staff to help these guys now just trust the process there seems to be a bit of a myth that players break through really young, they dont, these kids now being used by liverpool are 19+, arsenal and chelsea have brought some through but they've had the luxury of the EL to do it first, greenwood who you can say is one of the best young talents in the PL made 3 sub appearances as a 17 year old, its really rare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 17 hours ago, sne said: All I'm saying is that just because he's young doesn't mean he can't be an option. And what I meant is that just because others are ready at that age, it doesn't mean that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Dave-R said: I've been dying to see youth since Smith came in Spoiler I'm just joking Dave, I'm not really implying that you're a nonce 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 This is the most bizarre thread in VT history, the bloke is a 17 and built like a 13 year old. Needs to play. Needs a loan spell. He's 17 and he ain't Rooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Dave-R said: Needs to be let loose in first team like Ramsey,Vasilev or we will have a scenario all over again like we did with a load of the youth we recently let go. Cant keep putting a blasted safety net over these youngsters and keeping them locked into the youth teams or not send them on loan. Let the Yout lose if they deserve the first team appearance and they are putting in class performances. I've been dying to see youth since Smith came in and to be honest I'm pissed that all we have seen is cameos and a slight bit of game time last year. Abit of game time from Ramsey and Vaslilev last season isnt good enough. There will be a time our first eleven gets tired, gets injured and who do we have left, the fringe squad, i would not play them over our youth after there appauling defeat in the cup, they need to be moved on from the club to make way for better players. We are wasting time the more matches we do not play and blood in the youth, even if it's for twenty mins of a game or even fifteen, it is time we see there potential. When the youth come on the pitch they may not put in a great performance straight away but what we should be more concerned about is the experience they gain from it at playing against the best in the best league in the world. Hold these youth back and you will see another bunch of lost lads, let them lose and you will see what they can do. I cant stand this idea that some of you have where you say it could break them if they play first team. It is rubbish to say a youth will be destroyed in the premier league as we do not know there potential, they are more than capable of excellent runs, that's why they are at that level behind the first team in the league with us. It's time to start believing and let them run riot against the league, we need them now on the pitch. I think its a tricky one Dave.....I am not professing to be an expert on when is the right time to play them. However, it does take me back to seeing Shaw and Barry coming on at a young age and Andy Gray taking no prisoners at 19. It is still a mans game and they need to learn how to impose their talent without getting clobbered ( Jack is the perfect player to learn from, but it took him time and physical development). We still have a target of 40 points and its easy to get derailed in this league, so I am not sure, which is the right call. I will say this though......if they are going to be good enough, we can't wait until they are 22 , its something I agree with Christian Purslow on. It all comes down to the risk factor, but Dean has to weigh that up. Conversely, I am not a fan of experience for experience sake....if experience isn't playing well, I favour a player that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Scored the winner in the Fa Cup. 93rd minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Yeah good goal but he looked a one trick pony otherwise....always cutting in to shoot with his right foot. I guess he did win the pen for Brad Young but probably half a dozen times at least when it came to nothing. The other worrying thing is that he doesn’t look like he has much pace.....nor sure what his best position is but it’s not LW imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, rayk said: Yeah good goal but he looked a one trick pony otherwise....always cutting in to shoot with his right foot. I guess he did win the pen for Brad Young but probably half a dozen times at least when it came to nothing. The other worrying thing is that he doesn’t look like he has much pace.....nor sure what his best position is but it’s not LW imo. Players can develop alot just look at Jack vs a few years ago. Stronger, faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Pace is one of Barry's strengths, also it's his job to cut in on his right foot, any right footed forward playing wide left is going to do the same, it's basically what Grealish does for the first team, he actually scored a very good goal on his left foot against Wolves. He's doing fine, six goals in nine appearances for him now in his first season at U23 level after missing preseason and the start of the season. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Sorry, Jack was a specialist LW when he was Barry’s age......not a ST really being pushed out wide for the 4-3-3 formation. I see Barry much more like Vardy than Jack, but physically the lad needs to mature because even at U18 level he looks a bit slight. Goals win matches and if he consistently scores goals he’ll make it I’m sure, but his goal shouldn’t overshadow a pretty average night for him. He wasn’t alone, I thought Ramsey had a very average game too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Nice to see him scoring goals but right now there are at least half-a-dozen prospects in our setup that have been more impressive. Think the Barcelona pedigree clouds the fanbase's view of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) I didn't say that Barry was like Grealish, just that as with Grealish whilst playing wide left he'll be mostly cutting onto his right foot, just like any right footed player playing in that position, that's pretty much the whole idea of playing them there. Also any highlights I'd seen of Barry for either West Brom or England he seemed to playing wide, so I don't think it's a new position for him, in fact when he eventually breaks into the first team it's where I'd expect him to play to begin with. Agree that Barry seems a similar type to Vardy, think Vardy also played out wide in his early days with Leicester. Didn't think he had a bad game last night either, missed some chances and at times tries to do too much himself, but he was a constant threat to them and gave the impression that he could make something happen at any moment, have to remember that he also won a penalty, assisted Young's second and then scored the winner himself. We're doing something right if we have six youth players that have been more impressive, but from the few games I've seen I'd only put Chukwuemeka and possibly Philogene-Bidace in that category, both whom have looked constantly very good, all the others seem to have ups and downs, but when Barry is good he's a very good, a player that we're very fortunate to have in our youth setup. Edited December 12, 2020 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 30/11/2020 at 11:14, Dave-R said: Needs to be let loose in first team like Ramsey,Vasilev or we will have a scenario all over again like we did with a load of the youth we recently let go. Cant keep putting a blasted safety net over these youngsters and keeping them locked into the youth teams or not send them on loan. Let the Yout lose if they deserve the first team appearance and they are putting in class performances. I've been dying to see youth since Smith came in and to be honest I'm pissed that all we have seen is cameos and a slight bit of game time last year. Abit of game time from Ramsey and Vaslilev last season isnt good enough. There will be a time our first eleven gets tired, gets injured and who do we have left, the fringe squad, i would not play them over our youth after there appauling defeat in the cup, they need to be moved on from the club to make way for better players. We are wasting time the more matches we do not play and blood in the youth, even if it's for twenty mins of a game or even fifteen, it is time we see there potential. When the youth come on the pitch they may not put in a great performance straight away but what we should be more concerned about is the experience they gain from it at playing against the best in the best league in the world. Hold these youth back and you will see another bunch of lost lads, let them lose and you will see what they can do. I cant stand this idea that some of you have where you say it could break them if they play first team. It is rubbish to say a youth will be destroyed in the premier league as we do not know there potential, they are more than capable of excellent runs, that's why they are at that level behind the first team in the league with us. It's time to start believing and let them run riot against the league, we need them now on the pitch. You can't play them just for the sake of it, if they are not good enough why on earth would you just play them? There's a reason Micheal Owen, Wayne Rooney and the like played at 16/17 years old they were outstanding players! We need to build a relationship with a couple of league 1 & 2 and maybe a second tier Scottish club that have strong reputations at producing and developing young players and get these youngsters out there. Our youth set up seems to have made huge strides in the last 18 months, would be nice to see it working and talent coming through in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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