The Fun Factory Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 13 hours ago, MaVilla said: The Guilbert scenario for me is a really weird one. One of the best/better performers in the French League, especially for a full back, but we seem to keep loaning him out and either a) not bringing him back as backup, or b) selling him on for some cash. The constant loans seem like a strange nowhere ground, as he has proven he is fairly decent, yet no-one is interested in signing him?, seems wacky to me (or maybe we have had bids and rejected, or he wants to run his contract down? - dunno). We don't want him/rate him No other premier league wants him In France most clubs are skint after the collapse of the tv deal wouldn't be able to afford his wages Hence the loans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I was thinking the same. He loved to bomb forward. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Guilbert just yet. French connection along the back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Becasue I'm bored.. Went on Whoscored to see them head to head... 2021/22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, commander said: Becasue I'm bored.. Went on Whoscored to see them head to head... 2021/22 These confuse me sometimes. So Guibert is " Very Strong " at Key Passes, but also shit at passing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Now onto fbref 2021/22 https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=5d8d7454&p1yrfrom=2021-2022&player_id2=2389cdc2&p2yrfrom=2021-2022 very little in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: These confuse me sometimes. So Guibert is " Very Strong " at Key Passes, but also shit at passing . That actually isn't uncommon. Sanson and Mcginn has that as well. It just means that he has a low passing accuracy, but has a high key pass rate. In fact, it actually makes a bit of sense that these 2 would go together. If you're making a lot of risky passes(or most likely crosses) in Guilbert's case to try and create chances, a higher proportion of those passes are going to be misplaced(or blocked or intercepted) than usual. However, if you're taking more risks, you're also going to get more reward. Hence, a higher proportion of key passes compared to the usual will be made. Its quite rare I think for a player to have high stats in both passing accuracy and key passes. Even the likes of De Bruyne and Grealish last season had lower than average passing accuracies for their position I believe. Cash having a weak passing attribute yet not being strong in key passes is quite concerning however. I highlighted a couple of weeks back how Cash was often the Villa outfield player with the most misplaced passes in a match. However, it seems like its not translating to more chances so it can't just be chalked off as just Cash taking more risks for more reward. This is also supported by the few amount of assists he has made in these 2 seasons so far. Edited January 14, 2022 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Could it be a similar scenario to Rafa/Digne though? Fell out with Deano and had no way back? Could be. But Digne :- has a whole string of French international caps Has a few seasons prem experience. Had plenty of suitors willing to pay £20m+ for his services. Guilbert has one very mixed season in the PL - where a replacement was sought as soon as the season ended. No one appears to want to pay a fee for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kingman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Presuming we have no option to recall in January inserted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaslash Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: French connection along the back I was thinking the Flying Frenchmen (Fullbacks) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, Kingman said: Presuming we have no option to recall in January inserted? Even if we did - I don't think we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Laughable Chimp said: That actually isn't uncommon. Sanson and Mcginn has that as well. It just means that he has a low passing accuracy, but has a high key pass rate. In fact, it actually makes a bit of sense that these 2 would go together. If you're making a lot of risky passes(or most likely crosses) in Guilbert's case to try and create chances, a higher proportion of those passes are going to be misplaced(or blocked or intercepted) than usual. However, if you're taking more risks, you're also going to get more reward. Hence, a higher proportion of key passes compared to the usual will be made. Its quite rare I think for a player to have high stats in both passing accuracy and key passes. Even the likes of De Bruyne and Grealish last season had lower than average passing accuracies for their position I believe. Cash having a weak passing attribute yet not being strong in key passes is quite concerning however. I highlighted a couple of weeks back how Cash was often the Villa outfield player with the most misplaced passes in a match. However, it seems like its not translating to more chances so it can't just be chalked off as just Cash taking more risks for more reward. This is also supported by the few amount of assists he has made in these 2 seasons so far. Makes sens when you break it down to be fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Clearly has some pride playing for us. I still hope it can work out for him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 With Cash, Calum Chambers and KKH there's no way we will be keeping Guilbert at the club. Next season. He's had a brilliant season so far in France and will have plenty of teams in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I'd love us to bring him back in the summer. He is having a fantastic season and has improved a lot imo. I think Gerrard would like him too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, avfc1982am said: I'd love us to bring him back in the summer. He is having a fantastic season and has improved a lot imo. I think Gerrard would like him too. I was thinking that earlier - he seems to fit Gerrard's system. Im sure he will be here in pre-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: I was thinking that earlier - he seems to fit Gerrard's system. Im sure he will be here in pre-season I think it's suits him far more than sitting deep to be fair. Great going forward, and his crossing is decent too. The thing that I really liked about him, apart from his all in trait, is his ability to look for the return out wide. He wants to run the line, get the cross in. I really like the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I think it's suits him far more than sitting deep to be fair. Great going forward, and his crossing is decent too. The thing that I really liked about him, apart from his all in trait, is his ability to look for the return out wide. He wants to run the line, get the cross in. I really like the lad. Statistically, he's better at going forward than Cash, but he isn't an attacking fullback. He's very much a defensive fullback in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I think it's suits him far more than sitting deep to be fair. Great going forward, and his crossing is decent too. The thing that I really liked about him, apart from his all in trait, is his ability to look for the return out wide. He wants to run the line, get the cross in. I really like the lad. Guilbert is great going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: Guilbert is great going forward? Better than Cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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