Tyrone Mings

[MaVilla]

22 minutes ago, KentVillan said:

Moving back on to Mings the footballer. My concern with him is that his injury problems are due to the way he tackles.

There isn't that much footage of him defending, but I've found two examples of him using his left foot to hook the ball from a player running to his left side, when most players would use their outside (right) foot to hook around.

Play-off Final

This is one you'll all be familiar with, and not the best photo. It was a superb tackle, but you'd expect most players to swing their right foot around here for a more natural slide tackle which keeps your body in a better position.

Non-league game

This is from a clip he posted on his own Twitter of his rise up the divisions. Again, great tackle, but his body's in a weird position and he's exposing himself to injury.

Could this be why he picks up lots of weird injuries? Is it something that can be fixed at this stage in your career or do you just have to go with your natural game?

 

Mings got his major injury (ruptured ACL - 387 days injured) on 29.08.15 vs Leicester, i cant find any videos showing exactly how he got that injury, so i cant comment, but i would say its just as likely his ACL injury is  nothing anything to do with tackle foot/angles, as to be related, cant say, its likely nothing to do with it.

The second injury was his back (Sept 2017 - 221 days inured), all i can find on that is that he "got a knock on the back", and was in immense pain, so thats certainly nothing to do with tackle angle/foot etc.

 

Your second picture is a type of tackle you could see all day, every day, all around the country, nothing to see there i dont think.

Quite extensive injury record though, if we did sign him we can only hope his major injuries are in the past.

Edited June 20, 2019 by MaVilla

[KentVillan]

3 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

 

Mings got his major injury (ruptured ACL - 387 days injured) on 29.08.15 vs Leicester, i cant find any videos showing exactly how he got that injury, so i cant comment, but i would say its just as likely his ACL injury is  nothing anything to do with tackle foot/angles, as to be related, cant say, its likely nothing to do with it.

The second injury was his back (Sept 2017 - 221 days inured), all i can find on that is that he "got a knock on the back", and was in immense pain, so thats certainly nothing to do with tackle angle/foot etc.

 

Quite extensive injury record though, if we did sign him we can only hope his major injuries are in the past.

Thanks for the extra info, interesting. I'm not really talking about the major injuries, but about the fact he often seems to pick up niggles (which make you more vulnerable to major injuries, anyway). Seen several Bournemouth fans mention this point - that he often looks like he's carrying a knock when he plays.

Was worth it to drag this thread off announce Mings.

Edited June 20, 2019 by KentVillan

[MaVilla]

10 minutes ago, KentVillan said:

Thanks for the extra info, interesting. I'm not really talking about the major injuries, but about the fact he often seems to pick up niggles (which make you more vulnerable to major injuries, anyway). Seen several Bournemouth fans mention this point - that he often looks like he's carrying a knock when he plays.

yeah, i dunno, he only missed games for us due to suspension in the 6 months he was with us didnt he?

But yes, i also commented somewhere that i was concerned as he came down with cramps a couple of times (which seemed strange as they were just normal 90 minute matches), and looked like he had a niggle a couple of others (nothing official though), so know what you mean, i have no idea though.......i suppose only signing him to find out would show us one way or the other??

I would love us to sign him, but if you assess it with a level head, we can only hope his injuries are in the past, as technically he played 15 matches for us in 6 months, he only played 17 matches TOTAL between July  2015 and Jan 2019 (3.5 years), due to 608 days (1.5 years -ish) worth of injury and being unable to get back in to the team when fit.

He's only played 99 games total in his entire professional career, and he's 26. (so 15% of his entire professional careers games have been at Aston Villa)

 

PS: he might have played 18 games for us, and 102 games total, not sure if the figures i saw included the playoffs.

Edited June 20, 2019 by MaVilla

[A'Villan]

1 minute ago, KentVillan said:

Thanks for the extra info, interesting. I'm not really talking about the major injuries, but about the fact he often seems to pick up niggles (which make you more vulnerable to major injuries, anyway). Seen several Bournemouth fans mention this point - that he often looks like he's carrying a knock when he plays.

Part of the game in my opinion. Some get away without picking up the injuries better than others. The demands on the body are quite strenuous at professional level.

Mings has been a professional for 6 years now, and was involved with a professional club as a junior as well as receiving a football scholarship.

If there was an aspect of his technique that was evidently going to cause him injury, there's a good chance it would've been identified at one of the institutions he has represented.

[KentVillan]

3 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

yeah, i dunno, he only missed games for us due to suspension in the 6 months he was with us didnt he?

But yes, i also commented somewhere that i was concerned as he came down with cramps a couple of times (which seemed strange as they were just normal 90 minute matches), and looked like he had a niggle a couple of others (nothing official though), so know what you mean, i have no idea though.......i suppose only signing him to find out would show us one way or the other??

I would love us to sign him, but if you assess it with a level head, we can only hope his injuries are in the past, as technically he played 15 matches for us in 6 months, he only played 17 matches TOTAL between July  2015 and Jan 2019 (3.5 years), due to 608 days (1.5 years -ish) worth of injury and being unable to get back in to the team when fit.

Yep totally agree. Would love him to sign. He's proved on his rare outings in the Premier League that he can compete at that level, and he was superb for us last season. But I think we need plenty of cover, as I don't see him as a 40 game a season player.

[LxYoungAVFC]

I wouldn't be able to enjoy a holiday without knowing where I'll end up when I return. Deal must be done already.

[KentVillan]

1 minute ago, A'Villan said:

Part of the game in my opinion. Some get away without picking up the injuries better than others. The demands on the body are quite strenuous at professional level.

Mings has been a professional for 6 years now, and was involved with a professional club as a junior as well as receiving a football scholarship.

If there was an aspect of his technique that was evidently going to cause him injury, there's a good chance it would've been identified at one of the institutions he has represented.

Outside the elite clubs (none of which he has played for) I'm not sure things are always as advanced as you think.

[praisedmambo]

So much made up stuff on this thread. Once again Villa talk is a glimpse into the variety of the human psyche!

I say this lightheartedly, but seriously—some of the conclusions I've read on this website based on scant or no evidence is a genuine surprise.

It's not a big deal now and with these topics of course, but I feel we as a race are so into drawing conclusions from almost nothing and the bigger picture is we are capable of causing a lot of crazy shit!

[MaVilla]

1 minute ago, praisedmambo said:

So much made up stuff on this thread. Once again Villa talk is a glimpse into the variety of the human psyche!

I say this lightheartedly, but seriously—some of the conclusions I've read on this website based on scant or no evidence is a genuine surprise.

It's not a big deal now and with these topics of course, but I feel we as a race are so into drawing conclusions from almost nothing and the bigger picture is we are capable of causing a lot of crazy shit!

Humans are hard wired to draw conclusion......go figure?

[PieFacE]

Controversial opinion time. I'm not actually that bothered if he doesn't sign. His injury record concerns me for the fee it will cost to buy him, I think he does a lot of things in game which you can get away with in the Championship but not in the Premier League, and... I dunno, I think we can find players of equal or better quality.

That said, I'd love him to sign just for the continuity,  he seems like a good guy to have around and it's nice to keep some players who got us promoted. He deserves it for sure. But if Bournemouth are trying to rip us off with the deal then.... meh. Move on.

Edited June 20, 2019 by PieFacE

[AvfcRigo82]

4 minutes ago, praisedmambo said:

So much made up stuff on this thread. Once again Villa talk is a glimpse into the variety of the human psyche!

I say this lightheartedly, but seriously—some of the conclusions I've read on this website based on scant or no evidence is a genuine surprise.

It's not a big deal now and with these topics of course, but I feel we as a race are so into drawing conclusions from almost nothing and the bigger picture is we are capable of causing a lot of crazy shit!

Read everything.. believe nothing.. draw your own conclusion and see if it turns out as a HUTSOBMH, better known as ITSOTP.

I have been enjoying this transfer window and it's been great reading about all these links.. are they all for real? Are they ****.. but it's still nice to know we have money and are being LINKED to signing everyone...  making a nice change from.. We need to sell xxx to be able to sign xxx, or are we going to be able to attract xx player given we have no £££...

 

Enjoy it folks and not too seriously.

[Spoony]

54 minutes ago, LxYoungAVFC said:

I wouldn't be able to enjoy a holiday without knowing where I'll end up when I return. Deal must be done already.

I suspect on £50k a week and limited time off you’d have a good go at enjoying your holiday regardless...

[A'Villan]

1 hour ago, KentVillan said:

Outside the elite clubs (none of which he has played for) I'm not sure things are always as advanced as you think.

I play basketball semi-professionally and when I was out for 6 months last year my club arranged for me to see a specialist that takes care of our top tier footballers.

I think the second tier in English football (the best for football worldwide) would be seen to by leading professionals and specialists. Not to suggest they are infallible though.

We (Australian basketball) operate on a pittance compared to English football, and we still get players who have had trials with NBA teams. To give an idea of the standard.

It's like any profession, the most committed and dedicated accumulate the most experience and whilst honing their craft learn the pitfalls as well as the strategies to succeed.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you could be right, but from my point of view, if Mings technique is so unorthodox to the point of causing injury.

Well he would feel it in his body when he made the movement to complete the technique, and also I feel like the injury would be related to the movement involved.

Which I would've thought someone along the way might've identified his technique as unorthodox and assessed whether it was cause for his injury record.

 But you're certainly right. My 6 month injury last year apparently should have been three weeks. But I went to a GP before seeing the specialist and the GP's advice was costly.

[cyrusr]

8 hours ago, MaVilla said:

Humans are hard wired to draw conclusion......go figure?

Hard wired to self destruct?

[Ponky]

I think Mings' value to Villa goes beyond his footballing ability. He was evidently a very popular figure in the dressing room and seemed to have a really positive influence on the pitch, especially with galvanising the defence and making sure team mates kept their cool etc. That's clearly the sort of traits Smith seems to value in his players and I'd be very surprised if Mings is not made vice-captain if /when he signs. 

[Mic09]

9 hours ago, LxYoungAVFC said:

I wouldn't be able to enjoy a holiday without knowing where I'll end up when I return. Deal must be done already.

What if you were a gazillionaire and even if were unemployed for the rest of your life you could easily live a comfortable life and so could your kids?

[Spoony]

13 hours ago, PieFacE said:

Controversial opinion time. I'm not actually that bothered if he doesn't sign. His injury record concerns me for the fee it will cost to buy him, I think he does a lot of things in game which you can get away with in the Championship but not in the Premier League, and... I dunno, I think we can find players of equal or better quality.

That said, I'd love him to sign just for the continuity,  he seems like a good guy to have around and it's nice to keep some players who got us promoted. He deserves it for sure. But if Bournemouth are trying to rip us off with the deal then.... meh. Move on.

I agree. In the circumstances it kinda makes sense to let the dust settle before jumping into anything as well. See what else is out there before blowing a significant chunk of our budget on a bournemouth back up player. 

[eholm]

13 hours ago, PieFacE said:

Controversial opinion time. I'm not actually that bothered if he doesn't sign. His injury record concerns me for the fee it will cost to buy him, I think he does a lot of things in game which you can get away with in the Championship but not in the Premier League, and... I dunno, I think we can find players of equal or better quality.

That said, I'd love him to sign just for the continuity,  he seems like a good guy to have around and it's nice to keep some players who got us promoted. He deserves it for sure. But if Bournemouth are trying to rip us off with the deal then.... meh. Move on.

Interesting post and viewpoint. What things do you believe are not suited to the PL mate?

[PieFacE]

5 hours ago, eholm said:

Interesting post and viewpoint. What things do you believe are not suited to the PL mate?

I think his style of play would come a bit unstuck against high pressing teams. There are times where I personally think he spends a bit too much time on ball, with the occasional Cryuff turn! Which is fantastic when it comes off, but I dunno, I noticed in a few games where team pressed us high up the pitch he didn't look comfortable.

Now, it might be that any defender we sign would look uncomfortable in that situation. But I think better opposition would be able to catch him out quite a lot into forcing errors. 

Though, I'm not hugely criticising him so don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, and I would like us to sign him, he has many attributes I do like, but.... I'm just not going to be all that upset if he doesn't join. 

[Jareth]

Bournemouth will be determined to make this difficult, we will be direct competitors next season. I can see this getting done very late - but that won't matter.