LondonVillian Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) He's played 28 times in the premier league a total of 1049 minutes - 0 goals 0 assists - need to be effecting the game more to progress to the next level Edited October 4, 2021 by LondonVillian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: You ought to see Facebook and Twitter No no no, school boy error tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Remember Purslow doing his We are the World speech in the summer when JackCiteh left when he said ' we believe the children are our future' This is what will happen from time to time.he will have a shocker. He is learning on the job. I have absolutely no doubt that in 5 years time Jacob will also be known for being really nasty when needed and aggressive. It is slightly concerning he isnt scoring or assisting BUT i am positive that will come . His passing percentage is the highest in the midfield currently so that shows technically he is decent. Our aim is to develop the youth because thats the only way we will be able to compete financially due to the shut door for the champs league teams. We need to give him the time to show his full potential. At worst he will be cashed in on in a few years for a considerable sum of money and at best he develops into a top class centre mid for us 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, LondonVillian said: He's played 28 times in the premier league a total of 1049 minutes - 0 goals 0 assists - need to be effecting the game more to progress to the next level He's a good old fashioned CM, not an attacking midfielder. Further more, just throwing a stat like that out there is a false narrative. The majority of those " minutes " were him being bedded in slowly, less confident and doing much less. We've ayed 6 games this season, which in 1 or 2 of them he was arguably our best midfielder, has shown great driving runs and intent. Plus unlucky not to have gotten a couple. It's almost like making a claim that Nakamba is shit because he's got zero goals and assists vs. minutes. Out of interest, how many has Luiz gotten this season? Edited October 4, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 26 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Remember Purslow doing his We are the World speech in the summer when JackCiteh left when he said ' we believe the children are our future' This is what will happen from time to time.he will have a shocker. He is learning on the job. I have absolutely no doubt that in 5 years time Jacob will also be known for being really nasty when needed and aggressive. It is slightly concerning he isnt scoring or assisting BUT i am positive that will come . His passing percentage is the highest in the midfield currently so that shows technically he is decent. Our aim is to develop the youth because thats the only way we will be able to compete financially due to the shut door for the champs league teams. We need to give him the time to show his full potential. At worst he will be cashed in on in a few years for a considerable sum of money and at best he develops into a top class centre mid for us I'm very defensive of this kid, I don't understand how some see it difficult to support him, or see the potential, while understanding that he's still a kid, and homegrown! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I think he’s a class act and growing into a real player as his game experience increases 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 First bad game of the season. He was very impressive in the other games. He has enough credit to have a bad day at the office (and he was far from the only one). He's also 19. I'd still put Buendia ahead of him for Wolves just to give him a breather (mentally, not physically), but he'll bounce back from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 He wasn’t great yesterday but neither was anybody on either team apart from Martinez and Son. I actually thought he improved 2nd half and was having an impact on the game when we scored. I thought Smith got in wrong subbing him when he did. We were on top and bringing a sub meant we lost a bit of momentum we had built up. Not blaming anyone for yesterday though, we just wasn’t at it as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, TRO said: Played against Chelsea, Man U and Spurs away and hasn't looked out of place, despite still developing. seems ok to me. That's why I'm hesitating a bit, he seems ok, and as I've said before it's impressive that he holds down a starting place at 20, but I still dont see any real stand out qualities. Ok isn't good enough for me to hold down a staring place. For example Gabby and Vassell at that age showed exceptional pace, Jack showed his ability to ghost past players and played them around, Barry and Cahill both impressed highly and scored goals at that age. With Ramsey I don't see what stands out except being neat and tidy in his passing. And against Spurs he was overrun and the weak link in our team. I love to see our youth players come through so I dont want to rack down on him, but I'm not really happy with having him starting over for example Buendia who could provide attacking quality or Nakamba who would make us more solid defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He's a good old fashioned CM, not an attacking midfielder. Further more, just throwing a stat like that out there is a false narrative. The majority of those " minutes " were him being bedded in slowly, less confident and doing much less. We've ayed 6 games this season, which in 1 or 2 of them he was arguably our best midfielder, has shown great driving runs and intent. Plus unlucky not to have gotten a couple. It's almost like making a claim that Nakamba is shit because he's got zero goals and assists vs. minutes. Out of interest, how many has Luiz gotten this season? Luiz gave me FPL points from two assists in the last three games. Not sure if he had more before that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Good player. Could be a great player. Shite against spuds but who wasnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He's a good old fashioned CM, not an attacking midfielder. Further more, just throwing a stat like that out there is a false narrative. The majority of those " minutes " were him being bedded in slowly, less confident and doing much less. We've ayed 6 games this season, which in 1 or 2 of them he was arguably our best midfielder, has shown great driving runs and intent. Plus unlucky not to have gotten a couple. It's almost like making a claim that Nakamba is shit because he's got zero goals and assists vs. minutes. Out of interest, how many has Luiz gotten this season? The old goals and assists argument is so tiresome. I remember people writing off Veretout and maybe even Gueye for it If someone is playing well, forget about goals and assists. If it's important for their position, they will come. But you're right, Ramsey is a CM. He may well start adding a goal and assist here and there but the most important thing by far is how he's contributing generally, and he's doing very well. I personally find him a joy to watch. Edited October 4, 2021 by Tom13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 14 hours ago, TRO said: spot on...but not sure the change in formation would have compensated for you earlier point of their central 2....they were just better in a crucial position. I don't disagree I think the width of 2 wingers might have given us an out ball as the full backs weren't at it and midfield was being overrun. I think we'd have struggled anyway I just think someone out wide might've been a way to get the ball out. Dare I say it, Jack on the wing slowing everything down and being relentlessly available as an out ball would've been very helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 19 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He's a good old fashioned CM, not an attacking midfielder. Further more, just throwing a stat like that out there is a false narrative. The majority of those " minutes " were him being bedded in slowly, less confident and doing much less. We've ayed 6 games this season, which in 1 or 2 of them he was arguably our best midfielder, has shown great driving runs and intent. Plus unlucky not to have gotten a couple. It's almost like making a claim that Nakamba is shit because he's got zero goals and assists vs. minutes. Out of interest, how many has Luiz gotten this season? Thats the problem they are all 6's as midfielders in general.....we need some 7's and 8's in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, TRO said: Thats the problem they are all 6's as midfielders in general.....we need some 7's and 8's in there. I was thinking, one of our issues is that, we have " Good " players when they are firing on all cylinders, but when they are off, they are off, like 4 or 5 type off. To make the further step up, we need players who are consistent 8/9s on their best days, and 7's on their " average " or " 6/7 on their off days. As we've seen, even 1 or 2 of those would make a difference, as the quality drop off is less, and they tend to motivate all around them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Ok isn't good enough for me to hold down a staring place. Even if we go by this argument, the fact that he has been the best midfielder in a couple of games, when you see him as " Ok " at max, which isn't good enough for you, would suggest that the other midfielders performed worse, and might be more of a problem? Again, what " stand out " qualities are you expecting from a CM? Not an attacking midfielder or winger, or striker, a CM. I bet you rate Carney Chukwuemeka highly, did you see anything stand out in his performances/cameos against PL opposition? Everybody isn't going to be a prodigy either, there is nothing wrong with having a GOOD, all round solid CM, for free. I'd suggest the criticisms and/or upgrades should be focused on some of the seniors who have very clear ceilings. Edited October 5, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 14 hours ago, abdulaziz1 said: Luiz gave me FPL points from two assists in the last three games. Not sure if he had more before that. he's taking set pieces now, got 2 assists in 6 games this season, had 2 assists and no goals in 32 last season mcginn only had 3 goals and 5 assists last season this whole modern thing of you can only be a good player if you have goals and assists can get in the bin, leave it to the wikipedia scouts on social media, instead just watch him every week 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 16 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: That's why I'm hesitating a bit, he seems ok, and as I've said before it's impressive that he holds down a starting place at 20, but I still dont see any real stand out qualities. Ok isn't good enough for me to hold down a staring place. For example Gabby and Vassell at that age showed exceptional pace, Jack showed his ability to ghost past players and played them around, Barry and Cahill both impressed highly and scored goals at that age. With Ramsey I don't see what stands out except being neat and tidy in his passing. And against Spurs he was overrun and the weak link in our team. I love to see our youth players come through so I dont want to rack down on him, but I'm not really happy with having him starting over for example Buendia who could provide attacking quality or Nakamba who would make us more solid defensively. Neat and tidy in passing is more rare than what you'd think, and is an extremely important attribute for a CM. Just look at Xavi, a player that was underrated for a long time before it eventually became universally accepted that he was unbelievable. And no, I'm not saying Ramsey is going to be anywhere near as good as Xavi, but I've seen midfielders hundreds of times be under appreciated because they're not flying past players and banging in 25 yarders, or bombing round winning the ball back. Ramsey is neat and tidy, can weight a pass, but is also comfortable on the ball under pressure and in tight spaces, I genuinely don't know how people don't rate him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: he's taking set pieces now, got 2 assists in 6 games this season, had 2 assists and no goals in 32 last season mcginn only had 3 goals and 5 assists last season this whole modern thing of you can only be a good player if you have goals and assists can get in the bin, leave it to the wikipedia scouts on social media, instead just watch him every week I think you're overall point is right.....and I think watching the game, trumps the stats, but thats just me. then comes the 64 million dollar question, what are we watching, said player do?.....what are we appraising him on?, and thats where opinions tend to differ. You say, what you say about assists and goals and I see your point.....but I also appreciate some players don't have a bad game, but they are not effective....just passive or do enough not to make a mistake, don't really do anything wrong...drift, call it what you will.....The opposite to Conor Gallagher, who is a duracell battery. Players need to be intrepid and brave on the ball, take risks and push back the boundaries ( i.e Andy Gray @ 19 years old)..beat your man to the ball, and keep trying until you do. I think we lost the game in midfield on Sunday, that affected other area's to allow them to score.....but I wouldn't single out one player, the unit was down in terms of quality and output. Edited October 5, 2021 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 5, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2021 Good young player to have around, but really shouldn't be starting if we're aiming to be top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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