fightoffyour Posted June 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, ferguson1 said: which is what I said originally and you agree. I’ll leave it there. So you did, my bad early / skim reading 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, Genie said: Imagine England sack Southgate and stick Jose Mourinho in from now till after the WC. It would be incredible. Not a great long term plan but i’m sure he’d get more out of our attacking riches than this joker we have now. That plan seems like it would maybe be at odds with the frequently-expressed On Here for all-out attack in matches against tough opponents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That plan seems like it would maybe be at odds with the frequently-expressed On Here for all-out attack in matches against tough opponents I’m not a subscriber to the Jose is a defensive manager. He did tactically “park the bus” on occasion but generally got more out of attackers than Southgate ever will. It won’t happen in a million years anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, Genie said: I’m not a subscriber to the Jose is a defensive manager. He did tactically “park the bus” on occasion but generally got more out of attackers than Southgate ever will. It won’t happen in a million years anyway England 2 centre forwards both enjoyed working with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Genie said: I’m not a subscriber to the Jose is a defensive manager. He did tactically “park the bus” on occasion but generally got more out of attackers than Southgate ever will. It won’t happen in a million years anyway I dunno I reckon the pay off when he got sacked would be eye watering and probably more than at Roma, so he might be interested. Pochettino is the obvious candidate if we want to parachute someone in (which we won't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 He's a complete arsehole. One thing I hate about managers. People, generally in any work place is stubbornness. Refusal to change or adapt , being stuck in their ways and the "Well this is how we did it 10 years ago" ...and worse still you highlight it or ask them to adapt, and evolve and change their mindset...and they go the other way. They double down. Maguire sub last night summed it up. That was a massive **** you to all his "critics" I can't stand the gutless turd. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: He's a complete arsehole. One thing I hate about managers. People, generally in any work place is stubbornness. Refusal to change or adapt , being stuck in their ways and the "Well this is how we did it 10 years ago" ...and worse still you highlight it or ask them to adapt, and evolve and change their mindset...and they go the other way. They double down. Maguire sub last night summed it up. That was a massive **** you to all his "critics" I can't stand the gutless turd. Me neither. Absolute fraud of a manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 It's getting beyond a joke now. It's not as if we were playing the 1953 version of Hungary last night, but the final score made it look like we had been. He's nothing but a "yes man" that the FA appointed after Big Sam as a "safe" choice. We may have got to a World Cup semi-final and the final of the Euros, but his lack of tactical awareness cost us in both games. He needs to go now before we see another England team limp out of a tournament in November, like the so called "Golden Generation" did. Does he still have the dressing room? It didn't look like it last night. He said he would know when the time was right to go, he clearly doesn't! This England manager did, after losing a home game 0-1 to Germany and not 0-4 to "mighty" Hungary: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Southgate would effectively be walking away from circa £10-12m if he quit Never going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jjaacckk91 Posted June 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) I think the most frustrating part of all of this for me is you weren't allowed to complain about the negative performances during the euros because we were winning, then we lose the final and then it's apparently acceptable to complain even though the way we set up was identical. Then we play basically poor sides with no real change to the team setup, we get to these friendlies, where we have been again negatively set up and don't look like scoring again and now it's ok to complain again. I don't get it, the issues have been there for anyone with eyes for a long time, we have an abundance of quality footballers in the middle and pointy end of the pitch, and we don't seem to want to play to their strengths, it hurts my brain. But I already know I am wrong, because as I constantly get told 1 semi and one final you know nothing Jon Snow. Edited June 15, 2022 by jjaacckk91 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 14 hours ago, Zatman said: Even the Colombia game was on penalties And I know just how those Colombians feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 It’s no coincidence that we’ve lost these games without Mings, he’s the only one who organises the defence. How Southgate can’t see that being a defender himself is alarming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: It’s no coincidence that we’ve lost these games without Mings, he’s the only one who organises the defence. How Southgate can’t see that being a defender himself is alarming I think the FA and Southgate don't like Mings because he has an opinion on controversial issues, is articulate and can actually speak about matters other than "yeah, well the gaffer set us up well, and it just didn't go our way tonight, but we'll put it right on the training ground and er yeah thank you to the fans." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Southgate would effectively be walking away from circa £10-12m if he quit Never going to happen Crazy how certain people just get to fail upwards and be paid handsomely for it. Not even qualified for the job, but has been in it for 6 years and made a couple dozen million out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I don't like Southgate but he did play a very attacking team last night and look what happened. I think its shown that some of the backup players are just not up to yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I think the FA and Southgate don't like Mings because he has an opinion on controversial issues, is articulate and can actually speak about matters other than "yeah, well the gaffer set us up well, and it just didn't go our way tonight, but we'll put it right on the training ground and er yeah thank you to the fans." That and the whole Villa factor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Danny Murphy really knows his stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 53 minutes ago, PaulC said: I don't like Southgate but he did play a very attacking team last night and look what happened. I think its shown that some of the backup players are just not up to yet. It wasn’t an attacking team, it was a mismatched, unbalanced mess with quality on the bench and players who should be nowhere near the 11 out of position on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Simon Jordan isn't a genius, he's a moderately switched on chap. But him trying to have a sensible discussion with Danny Murphy is like watching a quantum physicist explaining their work to the missing link. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 that's the problem with southgate - naming an attacking team doesn't mean it will attack, he puts the belt and braces on them 2 shots on target, from memory they never looked like scoring, lots of the ball in areas that hungary were happen to let them have it if you compare attacking intent between the 2 teams hungary were miles ahead, they attacked with purpose, england didnt id love to see some heat maps from the likes of James playing for chelsea and playing for england, the territory analysis and all that kind of stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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