TrentVilla Posted December 10, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2016 10 hours ago, VillaChris said: I do think you need to factor in the cup defeats as that often leads to a downturn in the league. If you go back to 2010-11 they lost that cup final to SHA, then lost in the FA cup two weeks later and also went out of the CL. That lead to a decline in the league. I accept their poor November form but it's not even halfway through the season so I wouldn't say a lack of league wins in that month would kill any title bid. What I do know is if Chelsea and Arsenal are level on points going into March my money would be on Chelsea winning the league everytime. Yes cup defeats may impact confidence and in turn league results but that makes them external factors. As for form in November it has absolutely killed their title bids in previous years as they've been too far behind and left themselves too much to do. As for your last point, I completely agree. All I was trying to show is the original point on Arsenal's form in November was wrong. Therefore they've perhaps reason to be optimistic if they can keep their normal later season form. I don't think they will win it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) a truly disgusting 2nd half by them, one of their better bottlejobs. I could imagine Sanchez and Ozil wont be looking for them new contracts anytime soon Edited December 18, 2016 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Ozil was one of the culprits. Same old Arsenal. Credit to City for lifting their game 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2016 And games like today are why I don't think they will win it. They are no closer to a title winning side now than they've been in any of the last few years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 LMAO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted December 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2016 He is right though it's like Groundhog Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Arsene Wenger is not a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 They are ridiculously consistent though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 They definitely have one if the not the best XI in the league. I just think they desperately need a proper DM. Arsenal's best run of results tend to happen when Coquelin is fit and starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Czechlad said: They definitely have one if the not the best XI in the league. I just think they desperately need a proper DM. Arsenal's best run of results tend to happen when Coquelin is fit and starting. I thought he was shittest player on the pitch yesterday and consistenly gave ball away in dangerous areas stuff Sanchez wouldnt do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 quick look at stats. Coquelin 57% pass completion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Czechlad said: They definitely have one if the not the best XI in the league. I just think they desperately need a proper DM. Arsenal's best run of results tend to happen when Coquelin is fit and starting. They signed one for 30m this summer didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 hours ago, Czechlad said: They definitely have one if the not the best XI in the league. I just think they desperately need a proper DM. Arsenal's best run of results tend to happen when Coquelin is fit and starting. It doesn't matter who Wenger signs or what team he manages. He doesn't have it in him anymore. He is an average manager who stole a march on the rest with his sports science methods. Actually, average is being kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: It doesn't matter who Wenger signs or what team he manages. He doesn't have it in him anymore. He is an average manager who stole a march on the rest with his sports science methods. Actually, average is being kind. That's a bit OTT. He was a very great manager, I think football's just moved on and he hasn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Not helped at all by Cech either... poor being beaten at his post yet again. I can't remember a game where he has been the difference off the top of my head. Wenger just doesn't have that nasty streak he had in days gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 He's mentally weak and easily bullied. It's why Mourinho has completely dominated him. Arsenal need to push him in to leaving, because they aren't going to sack him. Last year and this year were really there big chance with the big 3 all having poor years and then having to bring in new managers and have them settle in. He really, really **** up not signing Higuain when he went to Napoli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted December 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2016 Geez. Getting upset about finishing in Champions League places every year. I wish! That said, it is like Groundhog Day. Perhaps a change is for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 3 hours ago, ozvillafan said: Geez. Getting upset about finishing in Champions League places every year. I wish! That said, it is like Groundhog Day. Perhaps a change is for the best. Just like we got sick of finishing 6th. Every fan does it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I think it's natural to want to see improvement, especially when they've consistently held that 4th spot. what they (Arsenal fans) don't seem to realise is that major change can cause a drop in position too (see Man Utd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Genie said: I think it's natural to want to see improvement, especially when they've consistently held that 4th spot. what they (Arsenal fans) don't seem to realise is that major change can cause a drop in position too (see Man Utd). I'm sure that they appreciate that possibility but a lot of them have reached the point they think it's time to take the gamble. I think that time was 12-24 months ago personally, they really should have gone for Klopp. Now it's hard to see who they could get. Simeone is the stand out option but highly unlikely to move given his previous comments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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