darrenm Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Just now, a m ole said: NON ALCOHOLIC BEER IN CASE YOU MISSED IT Thanks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, darrenm said: I know some very fast runners and they're all heavy drinkers. Not Olympic standard, granted, but it obviously doesn't hurt a great amount. You think that might be related somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) I know there's literature out there that shows positive effects of small amounts of alcohol and elements of drinks but you have to weigh them up to the negatives and there is just no contest. Edited April 28, 2016 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Chicken Field said: Did Ron Vlaar not once criticize the club for it's drinking culture? or am I remembering it wrongly ? There was this report at the time of the 2014 world Cup. Quote Ron Vlaar quizzed on Aston Villa drink culture, says he had to ignore it to make World Cup The perception of English footballers and the Premier League mustn't be great in Holland. Footballers in the Premier League have advanced greatly over the last decade and fitness and health are now paramount to most, but still in Holland they seem to think that masses of players down beers whenever given the chance. Ron Vlaar has been speaking to Helden in his own country about the sacrifices he made to get to the World Cup, and how he doesn't touch alcohol. He explained that two years ago he made a choice to live perfectly to get to the World Cup, Helden ask him if what they call 'the Aston Villa drinking culture' proved a problem. Vlaar said he doesn't get involved and if other players had his dedication they may also be at the World Cup "I don't put myself in the position [to drink]. I don't." When asked if not even having a beer after matches gets him grief, he said "Oh yes, but that doesn't interest me. I'm here, you know, that was my goal. From some of my club, only the goalkeeper is also here and normally Benteke, but he is injured. If my teammates would be for living, they would make their goals, I would think." The Dutch defender hasn't gone out to criticise his club, but the perception in Holland is a little odd, the game there isn't without controversies at times and the best Dutch players often improve in the Premier League. Posted by SPORT WITNESS on June 17, 2014 at 10:14 in Sport Witness Football View Discussions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, a m ole said: I know there's literature out there that shows positive effects of small amounts of alcohol and elements of drinks but you have to weigh them up to the negatives and there is just no contest. Yes for things like heart disease and blood pressure. Not elite sport or cardio performance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, a m ole said: my research is not lacking. I'm not sure how you managed to reduce my argument to a straw man about non-alcoholic vs normal beer but congratulations anyway. This'll be my last post on the subject because I'm sure people are getting as bored as me. Even though I've posted loads of links outlining all of the health benefits of beer, the increased life expectancy, the ingredients which you were proved wrong about, and to be honest, there's loads of stuff on the internet you could find yourself. I said that 2 pints of beer a night over 5 days with 2 days off is probably more beneficial to an athlete than harmful. I didn't say anything about alcohol content, you seem to have taken that as a given, but still, I'll fight that corner too if you insist. * Beer is a good recovery tonic after exercise : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3312579/Beer-after-sport-is-good-for-the-body.html Prof Garzon, who announced the results at a press conference in Granada beneath a banner declaring "Beer, Sport, Health", said the hydration effect in those who drank beer was "slightly better". Juan Antonio Corbalan, a cardiologist who worked formerly with Real Madrid football players and Spain's national basketball team, said beer had the perfect profile for re-hydration after sport. * Again, good as a recovery drink : http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/03/05/285693136/beer-as-a-post-workout-recovery-drink-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds "A properly formulated beer beverage is likely to do you no more harm than you are likely to get from a sports drink," Desbrow says. "In fact, it probably is likely to do you more good, because it's got a lot of these sort of natural compounds, like polyphenols, that are actually good for your health." * Pick any from the search, they all say the same thing : https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#safe=off&hl=en&q=health+benefits+of+beer The indisputable health benefits of moderate (e.g. 1-2 beers a night) beer consumption include lower LDL cholesterol, less risk of diabetes, less risk of kidney stones, increased bone density, lower cardiovascular disease risk, lower cancer risk, and another 10 years on your life have to help anyone including athletes surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 The first "article" (actually just some press conference) is rebuffed here. An article in a newspaper is not evidence. You need facts to back up ridiculous statements if you want people to believe them. This study is the closest to showing that beer has some positive affect after exercise but it shows that beer with 2% alcohol is not detrimental but if you get close to 4% then it is. In your second source they are advertising a beer with 0,5% alcohol and a beer that has 2,3% and added salt, not your regular lager down the pub. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, bose said: The first "article" (actually just some press conference) is rebuffed here. An article in a newspaper is not evidence. You need facts to back up ridiculous statements if you want people to believe them. This study is the closest to showing that beer has some positive affect after exercise but it shows that beer with 2% alcohol is not detrimental but if you get close to 4% then it is. In your second source they are advertising a beer with 0,5% alcohol and a beer that has 2,3% and added salt, not your regular lager down the pub. Was expecting someone called bose would be more pro drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, darrenm said: I'm not sure how you managed to reduce my argument to a straw man about non-alcoholic vs normal beer but congratulations anyway. This'll be my last post on the subject because I'm sure people are getting as bored as me. Even though I've posted loads of links outlining all of the health benefits of beer, the increased life expectancy, the ingredients which you were proved wrong about, and to be honest, there's loads of stuff on the internet you could find yourself. --a lot of irrelevance-- How on earth did I reduce it to an argument about alcoholic/non alcoholic beer? You posted the article. Im not comparing the two at all. you've outlined the health benefits of beer, which are legitimate, by linking some studies saying it has all these great things in it. none of which take into account the crippling effects the alcohol within that beer has that negates any positive effect those things may have. You said 10 pints a week would be more beneficial to an athlete than damaging. That is absolute bollocks, unless of course they're drinking non-alcoholic beer - but that would have nothing to do with the conversation we were having. Edited April 28, 2016 by a m ole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, sne said: Was expecting someone called bose would be more pro drinking Haha, I like my drink as much as the next guy. Just don't think professional athletes should drink 10 pints a week! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Just now, bose said: Haha, I like my drink as much as the next guy. Just don't think professional athletes should drink 10 pints a week! Agreed! Me too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted April 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2016 Anyone fancy a beer? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'm thirsty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 What stage of the season did the dunne and Collins hotel bar incident take place? And like I said before I think some people are missing the point, it might not be what the booze is physically doing to their bodies, it might be that some of them have a skinful on a Saturday night and struggle at training Monday morning, some might go do their own training on a Sunday to flush their body and make sure they're fully recovered for Monday, it's the mentality that what they are doing is ok, it's the mentality that after losing on a Saturday afternoon they can put their £50k watch on go in to town or to the casino in their £100k car spunk a load of money smash the bar drink what they like do what they like shag what they like... That level of unprofessionalism will spread like a cancer, that'll develop in to eat what they like, do the exercises they like, train as hard as like, play as hard as they like... These **** basically live a life of Reilly The drinking is purely a symptom, I don't think anyone is suggesting they sit at home drinking tins which is effecting their fitness and that's why they struggle on a Saturday They drink because they think they're beyond reproach and they struggle on a Saturday because they're think they're beyond reproach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I don't think anyone is suggesting they sit at home drinking tins which is effecting their fitness and that's why they struggle on a Saturday I am actually not so sure about this with some of them especially Flabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, sidcow said: I am actually not so sure about this with some of them especially Flabby Yes flabby drinks his tins under the slide at the local park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2016 1 hour ago, It's Your Round said: Yes flabby drinks his tins under the slide at the local park. That is absolute cr@p. No way would he fit under a slide 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, darrenm said: http://www.active.com/running/articles/can-beer-improve-your-run-time Impartial research bought to you by the Duff Corporation...... Given your vehement defence of beer, I can only conclude that you have hacked this account, Gabby! Seriously though, the easy way to settle this is to ask the TeamGB coaches and management "how many pints, on average, do the athletes (actual athletes) drink per day/week whilst training for the Olympics?" I would bet the response would be a puzzled look, followed by "none" and when you then ask why not, because it is full of nutrients and good for you, the next response would be for security to be called. Edited April 28, 2016 by TheStagMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Remember the days when players were humans? Their heads weren't **** by having £20k a week chucked at them before they had even kicked a ball professionally. They'd have a drink, have a sense of humour and be able to string a coherent sentence together instead of starting every single one with 'you know'. I hate modern footballers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 14 hours ago, a m ole said: You said 10 pints a week would be more beneficial to an athlete than damaging. Haha, I'm pretty sure that's double what they tell you you should drink at your GP, let alone for a professional athlete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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