sidcow Posted September 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2022 At least the rise in alcohol duty has been cancelled so at least we can all drink ourselves to death like Russian peasants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: They just tag everything with buzzwords like 'growth' and 'investment'. Neither of which help the growing number of people struggling to afford to feed themselves. Recently Starmer wanted "Go for Growth" as a slogan - although I don't believe he'd ever pull the sort of shit we are seeing from the current gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 All this and thousands dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Can someone explain without the bullshit, cause I can't get my head round it, why the Torys would tax cut the highest earners and do hardly anything for the low earners and people struggling. Surely worth a huge protest, its like the Poll Tax days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fightoffyour Posted September 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Can someone explain without the bullshit, cause I can't get my head round it, why the Torys would tax cut the highest earners and do hardly anything for the low earners and people struggling. Surely worth a huge protest, its like the Poll Tax days. Because Tories are self-serving bastards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 At least they have now removed the mask - one nation, all in it together, no magic money tree, was quite frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Jareth said: Cool - but explain Truss I feel that there probably isn't much that I can say which will move you away from your "but racism" analysis, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Why Truss: (1) She's a nutter, and the people voting in the election to put her in place are nutters. But to be more analytical... (2) History. She's been a figure in the party since the 1990s. You don't spend a quarter of a century rising through the ranks of a party without getting to know people and having a latent level of support behind you. She'll have been meeting with, chatting with and having drinks at conferences and events with those members and associations who decided who was going to be Prime Minister for many years. Sunak on the other hand, was nothing to do with the Tory party until he was selected for a safe seat a few years ago. Turning up for the first time ever at a load of local Tory groups and asking them to vote for you ahead of the person you've known and liked for 20 years is a pretty hard job. (3) Right place / right time. SoS for International Trade was the dream job for anyone who wants to raise their popularity with this particular electorate. While she was always quite popular, a couple of years going around the world copying/pasting trade agreements and standing, smiling in front in front of a flag has sent that much higher. They were near-meaningless, sham victories - but there are never any (visible) defeats to the people voting here, they are still victories and evidence of her achieving stuff (see below for Sunak's achievements in comparison). (4) Messaging. If the last six years of the Tory party (and the wider electorate, to be fair) show us anything it's that they are much keener on a positive message, however detached it might be from reality. Truss's pitch of "things are great, we just need to do more of the things that you, my potential voters, really want to make them even better" landed much better than Sunak's "things are on fire and we need to make things a bit worse to make them better in the long term". Why not Sunak: (1) Betrayal. Half the party still love Johnson, think he was ditched for no good reason and would have him back tomorrow. Sunak is viewed (rightly or wrongly) as the man who stabbed their hero in the back to take his job. And if half of your electorate think you're an untrustworthy traitor, you're not starting on the best footing. (2) Ideological differences. Because of who was Prime Minister and the events of his chancellorship, Sunak never got to deliver a "Tory" budget. His record in office is one of handing out huge amounts of money to people and increasing taxes. Sunak probably didn't actually WANT to do either of those things. But, he did them - so he is now seen as a wet, socialist Remoaner by the lunatics voting. (3) Electability. After his popularity with the public tanked, I think lots of Tories looked at Sunak and thought that the FPN-receiving, tax-avoiding, Green Card holding multi-millionaire with the thousand pound coffee cup and non-dom wife was more likely to give the opposition easier attack lines at a future election. I don't necessarily agree, but then I'm not a Tory nutcase. And much further down... (4) Skin colour. The party are a bit racist. Still, if you want to just stick with your version - feel free to do so. Edited September 23, 2022 by ml1dch 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Yes but he was the wrong colour Doubtful think its more the fact the people voting are complete retards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 23, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Come the Fook off it - 60 year old white guys with cash in the bank - are 100% likely to be racist mofos Give over. Stereotyping parts of the demographic is pretty poor. 100% likely. Really? Of the people over 60 I know, one is racist, to one particular race, though their best friends are of Indian heritage. Absolutely none of the others I know have ever exhibited, actually correction, one other has too…but beyond that, no one else. For all the stereotypical “gammons” there are loads of thoroughly decent people of all ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, blandy said: Give over. Stereotyping parts of the demographic is pretty poor. 100% likely. Really? Of the people over 60 I know, one is racist, to one particular race, though their best friends are of Indian heritage. Absolutely none of the others I know have ever exhibited, actually correction, one other has too…but beyond that, no one else. For all the stereotypical “gammons” there are loads of thoroughly decent people of all ages. Yes but are they also paid up members of the Tory party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jareth said: At least they have now removed the mask - one nation, all in it together, no magic money tree, was quite frustrating. Problem is, rags like The Sun and The Mail are framing it as huge tax giveaway to help everyone struggling and their readers will fall for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Look at what 12 years of tory rule has done to our country, and that was when they were worried about maintaining power after the next election. How much damage are they going to do as it becomes increasingly obvious that the next one is lost? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 23, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, Jareth said: Yes but are they also paid up members of the Tory party? Dunno if any are, tbh. A few are deffo tories. But even if you take Tory MPs over 60, they might nearly all be whoppers, but they’re far from all racialists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Can someone explain without the bullshit, cause I can't get my head round it, why the Torys would tax cut the highest earners and do hardly anything for the low earners and people struggling. Surely worth a huge protest, its like the Poll Tax days. Playing to the base while they can, probably with a view to an election next year. Spun generally as tax cuts for all, making the media and populace look at the shiny things in front of them while the economy knifes then from behind, and sold to the base as classic Tory trickle down rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: helping to pay for it by taking more from those that are? What have I missed about them taking more money from the poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I think that plenty of constituents are already writing to their Tory MP’s asking how this shitshow is helping them and it quickly becoming an awkward conversation. Will it feed through into the HoC with negative noises about the new leader? We could be on for a record here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: What have I missed about them taking more money from the poor? Directly through cutting benefits for those working part time and indirectly through less money for our hospitals, schools, roads etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Come the Fook off it - 60 year old white guys with cash in the bank - are 100% likely to be racist mofos - if you think otherwise then your judgement is seriously fooked. Nope. Maybe 50%? None of my many white, over 60yo friends fit that profile. None. But there are plenty of young, poor, white working class racists to make up the numbers. (Tory party members may be a different story). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 100% of stats about 100% of something being true are wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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