lexicon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I was very much on-side with Lambert when he was appointed, and until recently wanted to give him this summer window to see what he could do if he was to get decent money and if he had learned anything from this season. However, the results since the Chelsea game have persuaded me that he is just not capable, and I now feel that he must be replaced. I'm much the same. Sad, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 Statistically I wonder who the better manager is out of McClaren, McLeish and Lambore? And what is it with us and rubbish Scottish managers?! McClaren has won a trophy and never relegated a club so I guess it would be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powell91 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 One or two hints on the new Bells site that something might be happening with Lambert tomorrow in their Lambert thread. Can't see it at all and why would they sack him now with our most important game of the season coming up. Possibly because it is, maybe, our most important game of the season. Why would they want a broken unmotivated manager in charge of the Hull game when he has clearly showed, over the last 6 games, that he is incapable of getting the required result and has been, time and time again, tactically out thought by opposing managers. im dreading it shane long and jelavic are gonna tear us apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've lost 18 games this season which I believe is the most we've ever lost in a single PL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've lost 18 games this season which I believe is the most we've ever lost in a single PL season. And there's still time for some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've lost 18 games this season which I believe is the most we've ever lost in a single PL season. That could quite easily turn to 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I wonder what the record number of loss's is in a season and not being relegated , we must be close to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've lost 18 games this season which I believe is the most we've ever lost in a single PL season. Apart from Hull, we have to play Spurs and Man $ity, so that could easily be 20 games by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 Statistically I wonder who the better manager is out of McClaren, McLeish and Lambore? And what is it with us and rubbish Scottish managers?! McClaren has won a trophy and never relegated a club so I guess it would be him. McClaren is far from a "rubbish" manager anyway. As a club manager he's got a pretty good record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I wonder what the record number of loss's is in a season and not being relegated , we must be close to it If there is a record to be made then you can be sure Lambert is working hard to achieve it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Statistically I wonder who the better manager is out of McClaren, McLeish and Lambore? And what is it with us and rubbish Scottish managers?!McClaren has won a trophy and never relegated a club so I guess it would be him. McClaren is far from a "rubbish" manager anyway. As a club manager he's got a pretty good record. Didn't Lerner cancel an interview with Mclaren because the fans were so against it, but then appointed Mcleish? I could never get my head around that if true. Edited April 28, 2014 by Amo69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 A draw will certainly see us fine You must be looking at a different league table to me. The one where we are 3 points clear and have a better goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 Statistically I wonder who the better manager is out of McClaren, McLeish and Lambore? And what is it with us and rubbish Scottish managers?! McClaren has won a trophy and never relegated a club so I guess it would be him. McClaren is far from a "rubbish" manager anyway. As a club manager he's got a pretty good record. I didn't think he was referring to McClaren with the "rubbish" comment because he's not Scottish either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) QPR had 21 loses the year City won league. Sunderland in 07/08 as well, West Ham in 06/07, City 05/06 Edited April 28, 2014 by Folski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've lost 18 games this season which I believe is the most we've ever lost in a single PL season. Apart from Hull, we have to play Spurs and Man $ity, so that will be at least 20 games by the end of the season. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted April 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2014 Ah well...........I have a fair few do agrees and dont agrees here.As a Lambert fan I can't agree with people saying he has had his hands tied by the budget. The whole point of being a fan of Lamberts was that he was a Manager who could do things differently. That he could bring about the drastic immediate surgery in removing a tired old way of doing things which included inherited systems, inherited players on big wages, and all the rest.Along with this I can't agree that the injuries we have undoubtedly suffered from are particularly relevant either. He used his money to get a squad, so we (should) have these covered.Here was a Manager who would bomb out the stale and bring in fresh, hungry players with a lot to prove, and mould and shape them by his own personality into a united band who would struggle together and then grow together.He would get us playing a closing down chasing game, combined with pacy counter attacking football, direct when necessary, and ignite a fervour long lacking at Villa Park by a swashbuckling attacking style.It would bring crashing defeats and lows, but great wins too and give us all something to look forward to each week.And in so doing we would get off the tired old gravy train so dear to some fans of signing the 'merry go round' players not good enough fro top sides but who command big wages and STILL never lift their teams to anything other than lower top half.And for those and other reasons it made no sense to me to complain of record defeats, of Cup exits to lowly sides, of defensive errors, of occassionally having awful runs of form. It was only to be expected as part of a roller coaster which could only gradually bring more solid improvemets.Inherent in that was that as a supporter of that idea it made no sense to react to short term (by which I mean pretty much anything within a single season) problems.And I do beleive I saw exactly what I expected, although lesss of the good results, less of the exuberant attacking play (a lot less) than I hoped. And in the spirit of the second half of last season and probably up until Christmas or a bit later of this. Even when we had more issues I did think I saw plenty of togetherness (we were one of the best at coming from behind still).....we still had a good away record....I thought Baker was becoming a far better defender, Delph was excelling, .......While others said tactics were poor I saw a Manager who was pretty flexible tactically, who was happy to change it as he thought needed - look at the performance at Liverpool when his use of Weimann nullified the best (ugh) attacking side..........also here we were beating Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal.......I didn't and dont agree with those who say he is clueless or that the players are useless...you cant get results like that as a fluke.And even now I dont see our position as statistically very different from anyone from Newcastle down if you reverse the result of just our games against Newcastle we are above them).....so again cant' agree with the extent of some of the observations made negatively.Most of all I beleive that if we are to ever get anywhere we need to give a Manager ( a Manager who like PL is GENUINELY undertaking an actual 'project', unlike the majority who ptretend to be whilst actually just trying for short term success)time. By which I have always said 3 seasons. Stick by them ,let them genuinely see a project through.HOWEVER.Something has gone wrong more than quality of players, more than tactics, more than part of the ups and downs of a risky project. We now have alienated fans, extremely poor results, no sign at all of the aggressive attacking playing style, lack of spirit in the side, and a Manager who no longer gives signs that he can - or wants to - do all the stuff he was here to do.I don't see those positions as recoverable, I think the thing has failed, and it is time for Lambert to go.I think it means we will be back to where we were with a side along with all the other average Clubs and we will yo-yo betwenn Managers, players, 7th and 12th, and all the rest... I think the project - as I understood it - needed to succeed and it hasn't, 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I would say the above assessment from a very tolerant Villa fan sums up why Lambert will be gone by the end of the season regardless of where we finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ... I think it means we will be back to where we were with a side along with all the other average Clubs and we will yo-yo betwenn Managers, players, 7th and 12th, and all the rest... I think the project - as I understood it - needed to succeed and it hasn't, Well you've always been an optimist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) I wonder what the record number of loss's is in a season and not being relegated , we must be close to it Since the premier league went down to 20 clubs, it's 21: Sunderland in 2007/8 (who actually finished in 15th) and QPR in 2011/2 (17th). There are plenty of examples of survival on 20 defeats as well. Oh, and Man C in 05/6 (ended in 15th). So that's something to think about. Edited April 28, 2014 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 While others said tactics were poor I saw a Manager who was pretty flexible tactically, who was happy to change it as he thought needed - look at the performance at Liverpool when his use of Weimann nullified the best (ugh) attacking side..........also here we were beating Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal.......I didn't and dont agree with those who say he is clueless or that the players are useless...you cant get results like that as a fluke. Yes you can. Performances don't get fluked, but to say results don't I just don't get. The Man City result was a perfect fluke and masked just how bad our performance was particularly in the first half where I struggle to remember us getting out of our own half at home! Some decent points in your analysis. I just don't know what Lambert is trying to do though as I have never seen such consistent turgid drivel in my life. The players don't know what it is they're supposed to be doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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