ozvillafan Posted April 14, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 14, 2014 I see the "budget restraints" line used often in defense of Lambert. I simply cannot agree. Like his predecessor, nothing in Lambert's football suggests that adding 2-3 "quality" players (the most we can expect under Lerner) would actually improve our football. After all, a few new players does not constitute a complete style change - which is what we really need. You're more likely to achieve that with a new manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isa Posted April 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) The idea that giving a poor manager a lot of money somehow transforms them into a decent manager is quite frankly ludicrous and you'd think our experience with Lambert's "gaffer" would be the case in point. Also ludicrous is the idea that if you show enough patience in the manager, regardless of his calibre, it will all come up trumps in the end. Not to mention the line of thought that having a young[ish] squad means the players within it will definitely develop to an upwards trajectory and the same squad will ergo be great in a few more years. Ironic really, given that the subscribers to the aforementioned ideas are those who accuse others of viewing things in 'black and white'. Edited April 14, 2014 by Isa 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wholesale change needed at the club. Lerner isn't going to leave anytime soon, so this process must start with Lambert. Sadly, whoever comes in needs at least £50m just to stop the rot before we can kick on, and I just don't see that happening. Haven't got a clue who we could turn to, but I'd take a Pulis type manager for two seasons to steady the ship and get us back to fringes of top 8. Errrghh, how did we get here.......?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. The simple fact is Lambert has lost most of the fans and really now he is a dead man walking. It would not surprise me if he had lost some of the players too. They must realise too that he is just not cutting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 All the press have turned on Lambert, as have the away fans. He's a dead man walking in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. Such as who ? They hung onto Houllier and Mcleish throughout the season - but they both wen't pretty swiftly after that. I really don't know where this 'Lerner is Loyal to his managers comes from' True most want Lambert out - But to axe him now would make a bad situation worse.... Long term, if our players are going cost on average £2m - and earn £25k pw - we ain't gonna be in the prem much lonher - whoever the manager is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 All the press have turned on Lambert, as have the away fans. He's a dead man walking in my opinion. Yeah. I noticed that one journalist at the pre press conferance ahead the Crystal Palace game. He pointed out the fact that there is no progression,Lambert were clearly uncomfortable with his questions. Jack on the other hand is always nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morkery Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. Such as who ? They hung onto Houllier and Mcleish throughout the season - but they both wen't pretty swiftly after that. I really don't know where this 'Lerner is Loyal to his managers comes from' True most want Lambert out - But to axe him now would make a bad situation worse.... Long term, if our players are going cost on average £2m - and earn £25k pw - we ain't gonna be in the prem much lonher - whoever the manager is... sack him now, there is no reason for him being here. New manager can see the players for the few weeks they are here before their summer holidays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I see the "budget restraints" line used often in defense of Lambert. I simply cannot agree. Like his predecessor, nothing in Lambert's football suggests that adding 2-3 "quality" players (the most we can expect under Lerner) would actually improve our football. After all, a few new players does not constitute a complete style change - which is what we really need. You're more likely to achieve that with a new manager. He had a budget 10 times that of Bradford and Sheffield United yet lost to both and made us a laughing stock We were not missing Benteke or Delph in either of these fixtures The tactics and what goes on at the training ground is the issue Edited April 14, 2014 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. Such as who ? They hung onto Houllier and Mcleish throughout the season - but they both wen't pretty swiftly after that. I really don't know where this 'Lerner is Loyal to his managers comes from' True most want Lambert out - But to axe him now would make a bad situation worse.... Long term, if our players are going cost on average £2m - and earn £25k pw - we ain't gonna be in the prem much lonher - whoever the manager is... O'Neill! There was no blinder loyalty. £2m? The manager had the budget and chose to buy more for less. I think that you will find that a large percentage of Premiership players earn £20-30k per week, at clubs that are way ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/crystal-palace-1-aston-villa-6984043 Fair play to Kendrick. It's about time. Hopefully national papers start saying the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think that Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner need to realise that, if we manage to stay up this season, then Paul Lambert will take us down next season, regardless of how much he is given as a transfer budget. Unfortunately, given their blind loyalty to managers in the past, even if they do realise, I doubt whether anything will be done about it. Such as who ? They hung onto Houllier and Mcleish throughout the season - but they both wen't pretty swiftly after that. I really don't know where this 'Lerner is Loyal to his managers comes from' True most want Lambert out - But to axe him now would make a bad situation worse.... Long term, if our players are going cost on average £2m - and earn £25k pw - we ain't gonna be in the prem much lonher - whoever the manager is... O'Neill! There was no blinder loyalty. £2m? The manager had the budget and chose to buy more for less. I think that you will find that a large percentage of Premiership players earn £20-30k per week, at clubs that are way ahead of us. None the less - the average price paid for a player by Lambert is around £2m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 My mate just sent me this, has it been discussed or did anyone see Nicholas say it?Charlie Nicholas said on Soccer Saturday yesterday "I have it on very good authority from a mutual friend of ours, that Paul has been exceptionally close to deals for Barry, Lukaku, Sissoko, Holtby and Coutinho, only to have them fail at boardroom level. He knows what he needs to do, but I'm not sure the structure put in place there will ever allow him to do any better. He'd be the first to admit he's not doing great, but I'm told he's getting frustrated by the lack of ambition. It's a big summer because he's kept his part of the bargain now. I think he'll walk away if he's not given funds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted April 14, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 14, 2014 My mate just sent me this, has it been discussed or did anyone see Nicholas say it? Charlie Nicholas said on Soccer Saturday yesterday "I have it on very good authority from a mutual friend of ours, that Paul has been exceptionally close to deals for Barry, Lukaku, Sissoko, Holtby and Coutinho, only to have them fail at boardroom level. He knows what he needs to do, but I'm not sure the structure put in place there will ever allow him to do any better. He'd be the first to admit he's not doing great, but I'm told he's getting frustrated by the lack of ambition. It's a big summer because he's kept his part of the bargain now. I think he'll walk away if he's not given funds." Very interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 How on earth could he be exceptionally close to deals if he knows full well that the club won't pay the wages for the players? Surely that's number one on most players' and agents' list of things to discuss when moves are negotiated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/crystal-palace-1-aston-villa-6984043 Fair play to Kendrick. It's about time. Hopefully national papers start saying the same. Excellent article, and also one in the eye for those saying he wouldn't dare to criticise Lerner or Faulkner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The idea that giving a poor manager a lot of money somehow transforms them into a decent manager is quite frankly ludicrous and you'd think our experience with Lambert's "gaffer" would be the case in point. Also ludicrous is the idea that if you show enough patience in the manager, regardless of his calibre, it will all come up trumps in the end. Not to mention the line of thought that having a young[ish] squad means the players within it will definitely develop to an upwards trajectory and the same squad will ergo be great in a few more years. Ironic really, given that the subscribers to the aforementioned ideas are those who accuse others of viewing things in 'black and white'. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 How on earth could he be exceptionally close to deals if he knows full well that the club won't pay the wages for the players? Surely that's number one on most players' and agents' list of things to discuss when moves are negotiated? I'd say Lambert is contacting the players/agents and asking if they would be interested in joining Villa. Then he says that he wants player X, he has talked to him and that he wants to join Villa but the Board don't pursue it any further because of the wages. If I was Lambert I'd walk in the summer if I wasn't given at least £30m (Net) to spend. He's on a hiding to nothing otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 If I was Lambert I'd walk in the summer if I wasn't given at least £30m (Net) to spend. He's on a hiding to nothing otherwise. Is that you Paul ? Please.......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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