Big_John_10 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 You're still missing the point. I'm not talking about the quantity of long balls relative to other teams I'm talking about the quantity of long balls in general. Haha this is brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yeah, you have to remember that a lot of the players have either been given their chance in the Premier League for the first time by Lambert or another chance to prove what they can do (ie Delph). I personally don't think Lambert should be sacked. Should he be given a new contract? Probably not, yet. While a new manager might give the team a bit of a lift I would be worried about yet another rebuilding process. Cue more players in/out and less stability. Despite this, a loss to Cardiff would undermine all the good work shown against Liverpool/West Brom and would be worrying. Good post. If we sack Lambert we are just going to restart the process and go through the same motions with a new manager, it is pointless in my opinion. If people crave change look at the board would be my suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap of Steel Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Any team knows that they will have to keep an eye on Benteke as he can be unplayable on his day. As a result it does mean that the common attempt to whack the ball up to Benteke and then expect him to knock it down for an approaching forward soon gets found out. It's funny how we only really start playing towards the end of matches when we're a goal or two behind. I posted earlier about what I believe to be caution from the manager in terms of being overly attacking this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Today was the end for me.<br /> <br /> I'm very much Lambert out now. He probably should have gone after the Bradford debacle last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Many managers have been sacked for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Lambert won't be fired, I still think that Randy want's out, the last thing he'd want to do is bring in someone else, I imagine it's much easier to keep Lambert until we're sold, even if that mean having to offer Lambert an extension, which I'm sure would have clauses in it making it easy for the contract to be cancelled at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travie500 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I have been a massive Lambert supporter from day 1 and have always defended his decisions. Although I am starting to fall off the bandwagon. I am not itk and I don't know what happened behind the scenes in January but I think not buying a different type of midfielder could be Lambert's/villas downfall. Tonight was especially poor because of the tactics employed which comes down to the manager, I can't blame Lambert for the 2 goals which were lapses in concentration but his tactics he will have to take the blame for, particularly when we were playing good football at home a few weeks ago against west brom and in the last 20 mins against west ham we played good football and maybe should of pegged at least one back. I think albrighton needs to start as he offers something no one else in our team does. Perhaps Lambert sees him as a weapon off the bench, to attack tired legs, but we arnt in a position to enjoy that luxury, anyone who can make a difference should be starting. End rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SeanO Posted February 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sacking a manager inevitably means starting over again, usually (TSM being the exception) I want the manager given time but Lambert has had enough time to at least be able to put a team out at VP that can entertain us and at home more often than not win. His tactics are truly boring, there is now width for the forwards to feed off. The fullbacks aren't good enough to play the over lapping role that Lambert wants and then to get back and defend. In the case of Lowton he must have concrete in his boots because something is slowing those legs down! I know in the latest debacle some will point to Vlaar being out but we all know he is on of the most injury prone player Villa has had in years and wouldn't make it through from Jan to May without missing games so why didn't he sign (even on loan) a better CH than Clark or Baker? I look at our squad and struggle to name one besides Guzan that I would like to keep, Gabby is a Villan and on his day he is unplayable but they are far to rare. Benteke looks like a player going through the motions, it's as if he knows that if he scores too many then Villa will once again make it difficult for him to leave. I wont be sorry to see him get his wish. Delph isn't the player we all hoped he could be, he isn't a bad player but he isn't good enough either. He should be the type of player who is on the bench trying to break into the team rather than being our best midfielder. The only out field player I can think of that is currently in the 1st team who might be worth continuing to try with is Bacuna although he needs to find a position and stick with that role before we will know for sure. The rest aren't good enough (I have not included either loan players) to play for Villa imo, they are the reason we watch the worst type of football, they are the reason other clubs see Villa as a soft touch, they are the reason we haven't won back to back league games at VP for over 3 years. And Paul Lambert isn't good enough to manage Aston Villa. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevillapoet Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 'Instead, it was the visitors who were the more enterprising as Villa failed again to sparkle in front of their own supporters and provide them with some warmth on a bitter and windy afternoon.' Sky sports news Even outsiders can see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 You're still missing the point. I'm not talking about the quantity of long balls relative to other teams I'm talking about the quantity of long balls in general. Until you compare that number to McLeish's season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What's a Man City-type budget got to do with it? You've just jumped from one extreme to another.no i havent mantis. I appreciate any questioning of lambert is particularly difficult for you mantis given your self dig pretty deep hole on him, but all we hear now from people with similar views to you is about budgets. Just admit it, lambert is has and will fail, the job is just too big for him and any excuses re budgets are smokescreens. We know that lerner has cut the budget ridiculously but lambert is making many many mistakes that are not budget related they are just down to his inability to do the job in hand. Admitting you were wrong about him isnt a problem, many including me wanted him here but like many decisions in football based on opinion have to get changed. Lambert just isnt up to the job and needs to go and no way in the world deserves anything stupid like contract extensions 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted February 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2014 I stopped watching after Nolan strolled to his 2nd. You can talk about the quality of our players till the cows come home - I'm having none of it. The majority of this side have been playing together for at least 1 and a half seasons yet they still manage to play like a pub side. That's the problem with "young hungry" players - they actually need to be coached into a cohesive unit. Lambert is failing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It's amazing how many more pages a defeat brings than a win. We miss Vlaar so badly, have we got any points when he hasn't played this season? Clark and Baker together and we are going to get a hiding against anyone. Long term we should be alright when Okore is back so there is no way I would sack Lambert. Can Holt play centre-half? Dion did a job there for us a few times from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted February 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2014 What's a Man City-type budget got to do with it? You've just jumped from one extreme to another. Just admit it, lambert is has and will fail, the job is just too big for him and any excuses re budgets are smokescreens. We know that lerner has cut the budget ridiculously but lambert is making many many mistakes that are not budget related they are just down to his inability to do the job in hand. Spot on. I think too many people are obsessed with this being Lambert versus Lerner, who is to blame, when the actual answer is both of them. We all want Lerner to open the purse strings, but Lambert's still not doing a good job even under the circumstances. The way he sets the team up is the reason for our poor home form, and it's the reason we lose to teams like Sheffield, Millwall and Bradford. If a team doesn't come at us and leave a gaping chasm behind their defence for us to hoof it to Benteke and Gabby to run onto, we haven't got a **** clue. That's not a budget issue. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harry Posted February 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) What's a Man City-type budget got to do with it? You've just jumped from one extreme to another. no i havent mantis. I appreciate any questioning of lambert is particularly difficult for you mantis given your self dig pretty deep hole on him, but all we hear now from people with similar views to you is about budgets. Just admit it, lambert is has and will fail, the job is just too big for him and any excuses re budgets are smokescreens. We know that lerner has cut the budget ridiculously but lambert is making many many mistakes that are not budget related they are just down to his inability to do the job in hand. Admitting you were wrong about him isnt a problem, many including me wanted him here but like many decisions in football based on opinion have to get changed. Lambert just isnt up to the job and needs to go and no way in the world deserves anything stupid like contract extensions This! The squad is short on quality which is a consequence of the budget but the minimum I would have expected from Lambert when he came in was to fashion a well organised hard working side that was difficult to beat. To my mind he has failed on all those counts. To that rap sheet you can add the failure to get the players to do the basics correctly like accurate passing and not passing to the opposition or aimless tippy tappy round midfield . Next on the rap sheet is tactics or more specifically the complete absence of them. I watch games and I literally have no idea what we are trying to do beyond Guzan lumping it up the pitch for Benteke. What goes on on the training ground? Do they work on set pieces? Do they work on tactics? All the evidence from the matches suggests not. Lambert is manager clearly out of his depth. He has no idea how to manage at this level and his mumbled excuses followed by the trusted well worn phrase 'we go again' are now little short on embarrassing. There is little point in changing the manager now, we just have to hope we have enough to stay in the division which is far from certain and then look in the summer. The concept of offering this clown a contract extension is little short of laughable. Mind you the big problem I can see is who would want the job based on the constraints imposed by Lerner Edited February 9, 2014 by Harry 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2014 Well, I'm still in support of Lambert I still think we'll finish mid table, yesterday was a horrendous result but we were also pretty unlucky to be fair. Still no points when 3 would have seen us stay 10th and close 2 points on 9th. 1 point would have done and had Albrighton's screamer and Benteke's header gone in we'd have got that. We need to improve and seemingly I'm one of the few who still think we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) You're still missing the point. I'm not talking about the quantity of long balls relative to other teams I'm talking about the quantity of long balls in general. Haha this is brilliant. Care to explain what's so funny instead of just posting something like that? What's a Man City-type budget got to do with it? You've just jumped from one extreme to another. no i havent mantis. I appreciate any questioning of lambert is particularly difficult for you mantis given your self dig pretty deep hole on him, but all we hear now from people with similar views to you is about budgets. Just admit it, lambert is has and will fail, the job is just too big for him and any excuses re budgets are smokescreens. We know that lerner has cut the budget ridiculously but lambert is making many many mistakes that are not budget related they are just down to his inability to do the job in hand. Admitting you were wrong about him isnt a problem, many including me wanted him here but like many decisions in football based on opinion have to get changed. Lambert just isnt up to the job and needs to go and no way in the world deserves anything stupid like contract extensions This is what I mean about VT and extreme opinions - I think Lambert has a lot to answer for and have said this before. He's far from perfect. It's pathetic how anyone that isn't 100% anti-Lambert just gets slated for supposedly thinking Lambert is immune from criticism. The lack of moderate views on here is getting really **** annoying now and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one on here who thinks that. The reason why people talk about the budget a lot is because he's had very little to spend per player and even less on wages. That isn't to say he hasn't made mistakes of his own (no doubt that part of my post will be ignored) but having so little to spend will have a negative effect. I haven't been overly critical of Lerner's spending policy up until now but it really needs to change in the summer now. Edited February 9, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Lambert is making basic errors in every game he goes into at home. Even the WBA game we were poor for around a 60 minute period throughout the game. Yesterday it took until we were two down to rectify the lack of width situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Well, I'm still in support of Lambert I still think we'll finish mid table, yesterday was a horrendous result but we were also pretty unlucky to be fair. Still no points when 3 would have seen us stay 10th and close 2 points on 9th. 1 point would have done and had Albrighton's screamer and Benteke's header gone in we'd have got that. We need to improve and seemingly I'm one of the few who still think we will. romavillan do you watch home games. We wasn't unlucky, we are always outplayed at home cause Lambert has no idea how to play at there. Yesterday we only started to play in the second half after Allardyce closed up shop??? We have not improved since season one under Lambert, We can play, we have seen good performances from this team. Problem being we are so inconsistant and this can only be down to Lambert and his coaching staff. There are not many teams who show Liverplop a game then fail to show this form again lesser teams. After 2 seasons we should be playing much better football even if we haven'nt got the quality. Edited February 9, 2014 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 We are doomed, we will be in the conference within 10 years.* *For more information, please see the Sochi 2014 thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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