Rob182 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 They have so many problems, but also lots of fans making excuses. They seem to be looking at Chelsea and expecting them to do the same with youngsters. The problem is that Chelsea's youngsters have had successful loans at clubs in competitive leagues, Man Utd's haven't. Chelsea have been forced into the position they're in right now, because of their transfer ban. Man Utd haven't. Lampard has essentially been given a free pass this season to reasonably do as poorly as he wants, because of the transfer ban and the reliance on their youngsters. Again, Man Utd have had no such embargo or disadvantage forced on them, but a section of their fans are still calling for Ole (inexperienced 'club legend') to do as well as Chelsea's inexperienced club legend is. Lampard's team are presumably being told to play with freedom and no pressure. Ole can try to replicate that but never will, not with the expectations of their fanbase. They're in a huge mess, with half of their fans calling for Ole's head because he's not doing what Lampard is, and the other half calling for Ole to stay, citing that it's a 'transition period' and that Ole needs time. A guy at my work (Birmingham born Man Utd fan, of course), was telling me that when they drew with Sheffield United he couldn't bring himself to watch MOTD. Then, even when they went 2-1 up against us yesterday, he said that he didn't want to watch MOTD because of how far they've fallen. To be fair to him, he did say "maybe I've been spoiled", to which I just laughed. All in all, it's brilliant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I don't think MU have hit the bottom yet. They are in a mess, the squad is junk. They have a mix of youth players who don't appear to be particularly good, some older experienced PL players who really should have been moved on years ago, and massively overpaid players not delivering. They need to fix the culture at the club first, then the rest will follow. Whilst they are dishing out huge contracts to people like Young, Jones and Lingaard it doesn't send the right message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Genie said: I don't think MU have hit the bottom yet. They are in a mess, the squad is junk. They have a mix of youth players who don't appear to be particularly good, some older experienced PL players who really should have been moved on years ago, and massively overpaid players not delivering. They need to fix the culture at the club first, then the rest will follow. Whilst they are dishing out huge contracts to people like Young, Jones and Lingaard it doesn't send the right message. It's a catch 22 for them. It's hard to change the culture at a club when the expectations are high and you're years into the aftermath of Sir Alex leaving, with no sign of the fortunes changing. Go back a season and you'd think that bringing in an expensive centre-mid (Fred) would solve some of their problems, but he's just added to them. So now they're at the stage where some of their fans want them to be patient and stick with this 'project' of developing youth/ buying potential, whereas other fans want a quick fix, but with the quick fix you often overpay on wages, which can occasionally result in a lack of effort or other times means you inherit someone suffering from, what I think is known as, billy-big-bollocks-itis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 This stat really baffled me. They haven't had back to back wins in the Premier League since March last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I’m quite enjoying their fall from grace, but only since we’ve started back on the upward curve. I would love for them to get relegated one day, it’ll probably never happen but can you imagine the scenes? I had a read through their red cafe forum at the weekend, and on the whole they are very self entitled, whiny bunch of rocket polishers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: I’m quite enjoying their fall from grace, but only since we’ve started back on the upward curve. I would love for them to get relegated one day, it’ll probably never happen but can you imagine the scenes? I had a read through their red cafe forum at the weekend, and on the whole they are very self entitled, whiny bunch of rocket polishers. They just need to get someone in who knows how to coach. Like Rodgers and Klopp Edited December 2, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I believe in the last decade they have spent roughly £1 BILLION on players, what a gross mis-management of funds ......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted December 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2019 What I would love to happen is clubs like Leicester bidding for Rashford and him handing in a transfer request. They will then know they have hit rock bottom. Has to be a matter of time before their better players know they are going nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 58 minutes ago, S-Platt said: They will then know they have hit rock bottom. When they dont fill Mold Trafford, it's a long way to drive when you are just not winning everything and not getting every decision going your way. That's when I will be happy, 1st a few thousand then enough for it to be visible on TV. They have stopped singing almost altogether anyway but I don't hear the ironic "Who the **** are Manure utd" from their own fans. hahahahahahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 The Sun with their fake stories yet again. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10469765/solskjaer-man-utd-sacked-spurs-pochettino/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Wonder if they can hold on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Ole could beat Mourinho and Pep in 4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I expect a fight back but can’t see united not scoring again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) They get a silly amount of penalties going their way this season Edited December 7, 2019 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) They are looking dangerous on the break. Walkers pace the only thing keeping it at 2. Edited December 7, 2019 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I'll play the devil's advocate here. Counter attacking football against teams that dominate the ball? Hardly a revolutionary tactic. They will keep struggling against the likes of Burnley, Palace etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I'll play the devil's advocate here. Counter attacking football against teams that dominate the ball? Hardly a revolutionary tactic. They will keep struggling against the likes of Burnley, Palace etc Devils advocate? Nobody has said anything about style of play except it worked today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They seem like a copy of Wolves. Only one way of playing, counter attacking football. No plan B. Fair play it works a treat against teams who want to dominate the ball but you will hit the wall against the likes of Burnley. You will for sure never win a title playing that way, top 4 even is a stretch. You might win a cup here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Been gifted 8 penalties this season. The closest teams behind has been awarded 3 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, sne said: Been gifted 8 penalties this season. The closest teams behind has been awarded 3 each. They've missed half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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