sne Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Poor guy, he's going to have hundreds of notifications to respond to when he gets back from golfing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I'm getting a little worried. They must having something big against the people lined up... Obamacare related uber privatization of healthcare, abolition of voting rights, pick a random amendment (except #2) and invalidate it? The SC just ruled in favor of abortion rights or against religious numptys. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-abortion/u-s-supreme-court-strikes-down-louisiana-abortion-clinic-restrictions-idUSKBN2401WI "The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday defended abortion rights by striking down a Louisiana law placing restrictions on doctors who perform the procedure, dealing a blow to anti-abortion advocates." but clears the way for the resumption of federal executions and tells environmentalists to go do one w.r.t. to Trumps wall. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-deathpenalty/u-s-supreme-court-clears-way-for-resumption-of-federal-executions-idUSKBN2401S5 "The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday paved the way for President Donald Trump’s administration to carry out the first federal executions since 2003, turning away an appeal by four inmates challenging the lethal injection protocols due to be used." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-border/u-s-supreme-court-spurns-environmental-challenge-to-trumps-border-wall-idUSKBN2401RY "The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a challenge by four environmental groups to the authority of President Donald Trump’s administration to build his promised wall along the border with Mexico." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, Graham t said: The Second World War was fought so that people like you and I could live freely and say what we believed in. There is an awful lot of 'virtue signaling' around at the moment. These two sentences present an amusing contrast. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, sne said: St Louis couple pointing guns at BLM protesters walking by their front yard (not on it mind) This picture is the US in a nutshell. absolutely bonkers. All that's missing is the glass of Vodka Martini in the woman's hand If they were black, pointing a gun at people, like that woman. Pretty much guarantee she would have been shot by the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Can't wait til the people who use the term virtue signalling pejoratively realize that this is in itself a virtue signal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Can't wait til the people who use the term virtue signalling pejoratively realize that this is in itself a virtue signal. Open-minded self examination its the only route to such a realisation. Ergo, it won't happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) I would absolutely love to live in a country where anyone could say anything and people would hold them to account on it. The problem is this doesn't happen at all. Having the likes of Paul Staines, Kate Andrews and Darren Grimes invited onto every political program in existence to challenge actual experts with presenters willing to ignore their clearly problematic views, background, methods and lack of experience has created this. That and we seem to have moved towards a lobby media system where no one challenges the government as they'll lose access. Edited June 29, 2020 by Sam-AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Sorry to be brief, but am waiting on the 1st tee.... Lots of replies, which is great, by the way. How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. None I imagine. If you don't try and learn anything , then how can you have a opinion? These guys are black. They calmly and logically explain why the think BLM is a crock of sh#t. They are not racists, or do you think they are? They are simply saying the same as me. Where are the protest marches for hundreds of black and white police officers killed every year in the states? Don't their lives matter? Not so simple is it.....Give it some more thought guys..... Thanks for the replies, I,m off next, must dash. VLD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Graham t said: Not so simple is it.. Yet, apparently the entire BLM movement is nonsense and can be solved with: Quote Get an education Get a job, Get some self respect, and stop asking people for a free handout.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Graham t said: How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. None I imagine. If you don't try and learn anything , then how can you have a opinion? These guys are black. They calmly and logically explain why the think BLM is a crock of sh#t. They are not racists, or do you think they are? They are simply saying the same as me. Edited June 29, 2020 by choffer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, choffer said: Typical leftist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Graham t said: How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. You want to hit us up with a source? No need, I went to YouTube. I found this within a minute - several of the people you are suggesting think BLM is a crock are in it. It seems like a bunch of clips from past interviews where the speaker was talking about how they've managed to largely avoid being too negatively impacted by racism. Out of the whole 12 minutes, there was one single reference to BLM and it was Larry Elder who said "Half of homicides are committed by and against black people. Where's Black Lives Matters People on that?". Denzel Washington from this video: "The system is rigged...but all the more reason not to help it. I didn't see any evidence in this clip that anyone was saying BLM is a crock. I'd be keen to see a clip where they did, if you'd be so kind as to share one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Graham t said: I did know actually. Its is really semantics ( look it up ). You have to be very careful before you censor people. The Second World War was fought so that people like you and I could live freely and say what we believed in. There is an awful lot of 'virtue signaling' around at the moment. The thought police are only one step away, yes really. If you really want to know what intelligent black people think of the 'black struggle' then I suggest you listen to what Morgan Freeman, Charles Barkley and Denzil Washington are saying on YouTube at the moment. Broken down they are saying to black people.... Get an education Get a job, Get some self respect, and stop asking people for a free handout.... Am I a racist? Of course not. But I am not a virtue signaller either. It is okay to talk about racism, I know it is out there but people should stop defending criminal behaviour as well. We all have to make our way in the world and I know what it is like to be 'poor'. I don't have any sympathy with looters and rioters, this isn't the answer but some idiots think it is 'justified'. Thanks for your comments, Regards, VLD. Ok so I went to Youtube to check out what Morgan Freeman, Charles Barkley and Denzel Washington have to say about BLM at the moment. I can find some footage of Barkley saying it is stressful being a black man right now. In other articles he states that he does not support defunding the police. Regards Freeman and Washington, I can find videos trending but they are from 3 or 4 years ago and totally out of context for the situation now. If you have something that actually backs up what you are saying please feel free to link it here because I don't think it even exists. It seems that you have had to dive into the archives to find some opinions that allow you to put a motive on the BLM protests that are not true. You know what, I do want to know what intelligent black people have to say about BLM at the moment. Even better than that I have been listening intently over the last few weeks. If it is celebrities that carry weight with you, I can give you Jamie Foxx, Michael B Jordan, John Boyega, Beyonce, Oprah. I've linked one, the others are easy to find. Actually it is quite the trick these days to find a prominent black celebrity / politician / religious leader who has not offered their opinion in the last few weeks. You know what none of them are saying? None of them are saying the things that you are attributing to the movement. Even better than this I can link you to the BLM website that states nice and clearly what the objectives are of the movement. No one there asking for any handouts, just equality. BLM Quote Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive. BTW do you know who has been spreading the videos of Morgan Freeman and Denzel from years back? Far right and racist groups looking to discredit the BLM movement today. Can't think why they are the opinions that ended up in your feed. The Second World War was indeed a fight for freedom. Why not join the fight for those that have less? Edited June 29, 2020 by Straggler spelling 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sam-AVFC Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Graham t said: Oh, I didn't say , my playing partner is called Savi, he is from Africa, Class 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Graham t said: On the 5th tee, very windy, a bit like you mate...... Fancy joining the debate? Incidently, some of you guys seem to have forgotten about my earlier posts.. Yes Trump is a moron Yes racism is out there ( and vile) Oh, I didn't say , my playing partner is called Savi, he is from Africa, Regards, VLD. I asked you a direct question and you didn't reply so I presumed you weren't interested in my views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Graham t said: Sorry to be brief, but am waiting on the 1st tee.... Lots of replies, which is great, by the way. How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. None I imagine. If you don't try and learn anything , then how can you have a opinion? These guys are black. They calmly and logically explain why the think BLM is a crock of sh#t. They are not racists, or do you think they are? They are simply saying the same as me. I did. I couldn’t find anything like what you’re suggesting. As others have pointed out, they seem to be in favour of BLM. If you want to show is a video that backs you up then I’d be interested to see them. Although realise that one or two black people being against BLM doesn’t automatically mean the millions of black (and not black) people who are pro BLM are wrong. 56 minutes ago, Graham t said: Where are the protest marches for hundreds of black and white police officers killed every year in the states? Don't their lives matter? Yes. Their lives matter very much. Black Lives Matter does not mean ONLY Black Lives Matter. Think of it as Black Lives Matter TOO But in your example what is there to protest? People that kill police officers are rightly caught, charged and imprisoned. There is nothing to protest. Justice is served as long as that person is caught. BLM protests are about injustice to black peoples and people getting away with it. If every time there was a case of police brutality it was rightly charged and people correctly punished then there would be no protests about that either. To not see the difference between the two things is to be either ignorant or, quite frankly, racist. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it’s the former. 56 minutes ago, Graham t said: Not so simple is it.....Give it some more thought guys..... Thanks for the replies, I,m off next, must dash. VLD. I’d suggest you’re very much the one who should be giving it more thought. Your reaction to these protests is to dismiss them as nonsense, insult the people protesting and say quite frankly racist things (whether you realise it or not) Your reaction should be to try and learn what the issues are and understand why people are protesting, not to just label them as wrong Edited June 29, 2020 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I haven't watched the YouTube videos but why would Morgan freeman, denzel Washington and Charles Barkley be considered gospel in terms of how black Americans should progress? One hit the genetic lottery to play in the nba and two others are actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I did. I couldn’t find anything like what you’re suggesting. As others have pointed out, they seem to be in favour of BLM. If you want to show is a video that backs you up then I’d be interested to see them. Although realise that one or two black people being against BLM doesn’t automatically mean the millions of black (and not black) people who are pro BLM are wrong. Yes. Their lives matter very much. Black Lives Matter does not mean ONLY Black Lives Matter. Think of it as Black Lives Matter TOO But in your example what is there to protest? People that kill police officers are rightly caught, charged and imprisoned. There is nothing to protest. Justice is served as long as that person is caught. BLM protests are about injustice to black peoples and people getting away with it. If every time there was a case of police brutality it was rightly charged and people correctly punished then there would be no protests about that either. To not see the difference between the two things is to be either ignorant or, quite frankly, racist. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it’s the former. I’d suggest you’re very much the one who should be giving it more thought. Your reaction to these protests is to dismiss them as nonsense, insult the people protesting and say quite frankly racist things (whether you realise it or not) Your reaction should be to try and learn what the issues are and understand why people are protesting, not to just label them as wrong Can't stop, but who have insulted? And how? By disagreeing with them? Bloody hell.... got to go, sorry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Graham t said: Can't stop, but who have insulted? And how? By disagreeing with them? Bloody hell.... got to go, sorry.... You suggested that BLM protestors are unintelligent, don’t have jobs and are asking for free handouts. That’s pretty insulting if you ask me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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