maqroll Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Yet they want to take away people's individual rights to have abortions, have trans rights or smoke cannabis. The mental disconnect of the Republican party should be studied. It really is maddening. They hate spending, but LOVE it if it's on the military and wars of aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted February 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 13:50, snowychap said: An interesting and long read which probably could go in a number of threads but I'll link to it and post some extracts in here: Robert Mercer: the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media ... ... ... ... ... ... ...much more on link Mercer and the 'propaganda machine' - all a bit terrifying. But maybe you @snowychap are just an evolved ai and you know what's intriguing?!? Perhaps VT is just an elaborate trap to find out what we think - I mean who in their right mind would follow Villa anymore?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 27, 2017 Administrator Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: Mercer and the 'propaganda machine' - all a bit terrifying. But maybe you @snowychap are just an evolved ai and you know what's intriguing?!? Perhaps VT is just an elaborate trap to find out what we think - I mean who in their right mind would follow Villa anymore?! How do you feel about elaborate traps? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: maybe you @snowychap are just an evolved ai I don't think that any of us can be sure that we aren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted February 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2017 That George W. Bush now sounds like the elder statesman is a good indicator that the excrementalisation of America is almost complete: Quote Former president George W. Bush rarely weighs in on current political events, but on Monday, he offered some of his most pointed critiques of President Trump's statements and policies in an interview with NBC News' “Today” show. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: some of his most pointed critiques I look forward to being able to reserve a pre-publication copy: The Most Pointed Critiques of GW Bush. Cue jokes about world's shortest books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted February 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2017 8 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: So can anyone explain why a lot of Americans don't like Obamacare? 5 hours ago, Rodders said: They've been indoctrinated to believe any government social intervention is tantamount to stalinism. I wonder how much real information they get about what happens elsewhere. Do they know they have the most expensive health care in the world, offering crap outcomes for millions of people? Have they seen how (for example) a desperately poor country like Cuba delivers better results than the richest country in history? Do they know how other countries view with utter bewliderment how fhe US abandons so many millions of its cifizens to poverty and lingering deaths on the street? It's hard ro see their mad, cruel system as the product of informed choice. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2017 America is a country of temporarily embarrassed millionaires, they don't need to think of the worries of others, they need to think about their wallet. Being sick happens to other people and they can pay for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 9 hours ago, peterms said: I wonder how much real information they get about what happens elsewhere. Do they know they have the most expensive health care in the world, offering crap outcomes for millions of people? Have they seen how (for example) a desperately poor country like Cuba delivers better results than the richest country in history? Do they know how other countries view with utter bewliderment how fhe US abandons so many millions of its cifizens to poverty and lingering deaths on the street? It's hard ro see their mad, cruel system as the product of informed choice. Also, as stupid as it sounds, many don't like it because it's pseudonym of 'Obamacare'. They quite like the Affordable Care Act, but many of the bigoted clearings in the woods don't even realise that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, andyh said: Also, as stupid as it sounds, many don't like it because it's pseudonym of 'Obamacare'. They quite like the Affordable Care Act, but many of the bigoted clearings in the woods don't even realise that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing. Very true and shocking that more efforts weren't made by government to change that, especially as they were advised to do that many years ago.....having said that I bet Obama didn't complain about having something so important named after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted February 28, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2017 14 hours ago, peterms said: It's hard to see their mad, cruel system as the product of informed choice. Maybe it's like this: - the Insurance Companies make loads of money, which is a good thing, business prospering, n'that. And Successfu people get jobs where their Company pays the insurance premiums, and rich folk pay for good care. Everyone else is a loser and a failure. Sad! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Mmm it's certainly a strong carrot and stick approach to capitalism. Be successful and prosper or if anything goes wrong you will die or at best be on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm not sure I can watch this speech tonight, my head's already exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 14 hours ago, blandy said: Maybe it's like this: - the Insurance Companies make loads of money, which is a good thing, business prospering, n'that. And Successfu people get jobs where their Company pays the insurance premiums, and rich folk pay for good care. Everyone else is a loser and a failure. Sad! You've nailed it here. Class warfare is coming to America sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 20 hours ago, villaglint said: Mmm it's certainly a strong carrot and stick approach to capitalism. Be successful and prosper or if anything goes wrong you will die or at best be on the streets. It is undeniable that dysfunction plus what you describe above adds up to a toxic mix. When 25% of all pupils drop out of high school, the outcome would seem predictable in any system. The general rules for minimum success in America are said to be: don't drop out of high school and don't have children before you are 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Thrown his generals under the bus because "they lost Ryan". He skips his intelligence briefings, rubber stamps raids, then instead of taking responsibility he blames everyone but himself. He's an absolute scumbag. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/28/trump-passes-blame-for-yemen-raid-to-his-generals-they-lost-ryan/#comments Quote Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’ By Abby Phillip February 28 at 4:48 PM President Trump and his daughter, Ivanka, walk toward Marine One while leaving the White House on Feb. 1 in Washington. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images) Weeks after a U.S. Navy SEAL was killed in a covert mission in Yemen, Trump has resisted accepting responsibility for authorizing the mission and the subsequent death of Senior Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens. In an interview with Fox News that aired Tuesday morning, Trump said the mission “was started before I got here.” He noted that the operation was something his generals “were looking at for a long time doing.” “This was something that was, you know, just — they wanted to do,” Trump said. “ And they came to see me and they explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected.” “And they lost Ryan,” Trump continued. Owens is the first U.S. service member killed in the line of duty during Trump's administration. The Pentagon confirmed on Jan. 29 that a U.S. service member was killed in a raid in Yemen targeting al-Qaeda, marking the first American combat death under President Trump. (Video: Reuters / Photo: EPA) [In deadly Yemen raid, a lesson for Trump’s national security team] Trump traveled to greet Owens’s body when it was returned to U.S. soil. Later, Owens’s father said that he refused to meet Trump that day and has called for an investigation into the decision-making that led to the operation. Trump offered sympathy for the officer’s father, William Owens. “I can understand people saying that,” Trump said. “I’d feel — you know, I’d feel, what’s worse? There’s nothing worse.” But never did Trump acknowledge his responsibility as the senior-most leader in the United States military chain of command in authorizing the operation. Facing criticism after the military disclosed that the raid left civilians dead in addition to Owens, the White House has repeatedly stated that the mission had been approved by the Obama administration. [U.S. acknowledges civilian deaths in Trump-authorized Yemen raid] “Not only was it a very, very thought-out process by this administration, and it started back on November 7th in terms of — clearly, well before that, but it was moved forward by Centcom on November 7th,” Spicer said during a White House press briefing Feb. 2. An Obama administration official disputed the White House's account, suggesting that it was an attempt to pass the blame. “In a nutshell, Trump and his team owns the process and the ultimate decision — and the consequences,” said Colin Kahl, a national security official in the Obama administration, on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Thrown his generals under the bus because "they lost Ryan". He skips his intelligence briefings, rubber stamps raids, then instead of taking responsibility he blames everyone but himself. He's an absolute scumbag. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/28/trump-passes-blame-for-yemen-raid-to-his-generals-they-lost-ryan/#comments What made this even worse was what he said to the widow in the address last night. He also brought people into his speech who's family died as a result of an illegal immigrant. He's setting up a new task force called voice which will focus on violence towards Americans by immigrants. Gross. Longest applause ever. That doesnt bring her husband back you idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 "Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject, nobody knew health care could be so complicated." - The current president of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Every American I've known that has come to the UK, has their mind blown by the NHS. They were led to believe by their politicians that universal health care is the devil. And they come here and realise how f**king amazing it is (despite the NHS not being perfect), that if you need medical you can get it, without having to worry about being able to pay for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, jon_c said: Every American I've known that has come to the UK, has their mind blown by the NHS. They were led to believe by their politicians that universal health care is the devil. And they come here and realise how f**king amazing it is (despite the NHS not being perfect), that if you need medical you can get it, without having to worry about being able to pay for it. You are completely right. but the problem isn't the enlightened ones who realise that there is real world outside of the shores of the good ole US of A. The problem is the millions and millions of them who have never stepped foot outside of their neighbourhood and who think that free health care for all is what the 'commie bastards' have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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