Popular Post TrentVilla Posted July 1, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2015 I'd strongly dispute he was "one of the reasons" for the up turn in form but that is one we could debate forever. I completely disagree that he has been mismanaged, he has been largely woeful under 3 managers now. He has been played in just about every position possible and still he produces the square route of knob all. As for the wages, I'm not blaming him for what McLeish and Faulkner were idiotic enough to give him but I blame him 100% for his level of performance in return for those wages. He isn't worth them, not his fault he gets them, it is his fault he doesn't appear to give much a toss. A few okay'ish performances from him pre-Southampton did nothing to change my view of him built up over years. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I agree he's been a poor signing but lets not forget that terrible injury he had. I thought he did reasonably well under Sherwood until the final couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'd strongly dispute he was "one of the reasons" for the up turn in form but that is one we could debate forever. Agreed. He had maybe two good games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I'd strongly dispute he was "one of the reasons" for the up turn in form but that is one we could debate forever. Agreed. He had maybe two good games. Under Lambert he would come into the side for 2 or 3 games look ok or no worse than anyone else, but we would always get spanked in one game and he'd be the first player to be dropped. Surely there is a pattern where a dire relegation haunted club is completely unable to play a purely creative midfielder who isn't a part headless chicken workhorse and fast paced enough to operate purely on the break. It's not the entire story, but I think the fact we've had a midfield of cloggers and spent years fighting relegation is part of the reason players like Zog don't get a chance at a sustained run in the team, as unless a player instantly scores or assists and the team don't lose they get dropped. It says something about Sherwood that his first move was to put together a team that went on the offensive, rather than be set up not to lose, and Zog was part of that. Whether he deserves to be I don't know and I don't want to argue that he has proved anything in the shirt or not had enough opportunities, just don't think he has been as bad when he has played as people make out. Edited July 2, 2015 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'd strongly dispute he was "one of the reasons" for the up turn in form but that is one we could debate forever. Agreed. He had maybe two good games. Under Lambert he would come into the side for 2 or 3 games look ok or no worse than anyone else, but we would always get spanked in one game and he'd be the first player to be dropped. Surely there is a pattern where a dire relegation haunted club is completely unable to play a purely creative midfielder who isn't a part headless chicken workhorse and fast paced enough to operate purely on the break. It's not the entire story, but I think the fact we've had a midfield of cloggers and spent years fighting relegation is part of the reason players like Zog don't get a chance at a sustained run in the team, as unless a player instantly scores or assists and the team don't lose they get dropped. It says something about Sherwood that his first move was to put together a team that went on the offensive, rather than be set up not to lose, and Zog was part of that. Whether he deserves to be I don't know and I don't want to argue that he has proved anything in the shirt or not had enough opportunities, just don't think he has been as bad when he has played as people make out. He's looked no better under Sherwood than he did under Lambert, apart from maybe two games where he was good. It's not enough. he's never been good. Not for us, his whole career. he's never strung his form together for more than a handful of games. he had one half a season at Wigan where he kept them up, and that's it. It's that peak that is the blip in his form, not the other way round. Nothing against the guy, but he's not good enough and if we can get rid of him this summer I'd be all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2015 N'Zogbia's best times at Villa were the turn of the year in what I think was Lambert's second season (IIRC). He scored a few goals and got a few assists and I think every single one of them, bar maybe one, directly resulted in turning a draw into a win or a loss into a draw. The points he helped to get us during that period contributed massively towards us staying up that season when all was said and done. That was his only purple patch in a Villa shirt and then he drifted back into obscurity. His time has been largely wasted here. I won't say he hasn't had the odd good game but then you'd hope someone who cost the guts of £10m would have plenty of those. It'll be a case of thanks for very little when he does end up going and I'd hope he doesn't play a big part next season. The role he might have played should be given to Scott Sinclair as it stands. He is 5 times the player Zog is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 To be blunt Nzogbia=Crap! Let that be the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 It's odd because I've always thought it was mentally that Zog fell short, he doesn't strike me as someone who was desperate to make the best of his ability and be a 'winner' as Tim puts it, yet he relied on him throughout. He did play a part in our turn around to be fair to him but I would be worried if long term he is a major player for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 N'Zogbia's best times at Villa were the turn of the year in what I think was Lambert's second season (IIRC). He scored a few goals and got a few assists and I think every single one of them, bar maybe one, directly resulted in turning a draw into a win or a loss into a draw. The points he helped to get us during that period contributed massively towards us staying up that season when all was said and done. That was his only purple patch in a Villa shirt and then he drifted back into obscurity. His time has been largely wasted here. I won't say he hasn't had the odd good game but then you'd hope someone who cost the guts of £10m would have plenty of those. It'll be a case of thanks for very little when he does end up going and I'd hope he doesn't play a big part next season. The role he might have played should be given to Scott Sinclair as it stands. He is 5 times the player Zog is. think that was actually lambert 1st season when he seemed to connect with Benteke and had good games at WBA, home to West Ham and think at Everton as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Sherwood managed to get a tune out of him, but I doubt he rates him. I think he will go on a free next season to a team lower in the pecking order to us and do sod all. Untie then, I think we will have to put up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think he is a decent depth player to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 He is a decent squad player but the problem is he isnt paid a squad player salary. If he was getting paid what Richardson or Bacuna was getting paid then you would accept it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2015 It's odd because I've always thought it was mentally that Zog fell short, he doesn't strike me as someone who was desperate to make the best of his ability and be a 'winner' as Tim puts it, yet he relied on him throughout. He did play a part in our turn around to be fair to him but I would be worried if long term he is a major player for us. Yes, that's a good observation sharky, Sherwood did rely on him despite everyone here saying he's lazy and selfish. I wonder how he convinced Tim. I'm really not sure where Tim stands with him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I think he is a decent depth player to have. Maybe if he was on a third of what he's on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2015 I think he is a decent depth player to have. Maybe if he was on a third of what he's on now. He is on what he is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Which is why we need to get rid, if anyone is stupid enough to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2015 I agree, but they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerreznik Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Yeah I found it strange that Sherwood persisted with him while public scolding unnamed others as being lazy 'losers', from what I've seen that describes him down to a tee.... He's just never done it for us, and I can't see that changing. Would love to see him shipped out this summer but sadly just don't see it happening. On good money here and hasn't performed well enough to really interest anyone into bidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I think he is a decent depth player to have. We aren't really in the business of having £45k-50k a week players here in order to be 'depth players'. It's simply a waste of resources, we should be paying that for undisputed first team regulars not squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 We have Gil as a direct replacement, shame Sherwood does not see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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