MaVilla Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, gaffer85 said: I think hourihane playing the holding role helped Jack in the way he could stay further forward where he can make the difference Hopefully this is the way forward Personally I thought hourihane was terrible vs Bolton, of the options we have in that position I would go for Thor. Edited November 5, 2018 by MaVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffer85 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: Personally I thought hourihane was terrible vs Bolton, of the options we have in that position I would go for Thor. Conor never looks like he does much but for some reason we win more games with him in the side I think his passing ability gives you better game control in that position most of the time on Friday when he got the ball he tried to play it forward where the rest of our holding midfielders just play it sideways that is why Jack gets frustrated and drops deeper to get involved as there is no one brave enough to pass it forward 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, MaVilla said: Personally I thought hourihane was terrible vs Bolton, of the options we have in that position I would go for Thor. I still think Thor as holding mid is a myth and people ignore his weaknesses because of the cameo goals 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: I still think Thor as holding mid is a myth and people ignore his weaknesses because of the cameo goals Yep. And his "movement". Same movement that Scott Hogan has. i.e. he runs around a lot. I don't mind BB any more. I think he's decent enough. But I'd still rank him as our 3rd best DM. Whether he'll suit Smith's system more remains to be seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yep. And his "movement". Same movement that Scott Hogan has. i.e. he runs around a lot. I don't mind BB any more. I think he's decent enough. But I'd still rank him as our 3rd best DM. Whether he'll suit Smith's system more remains to be seen. I think it depends on the opposition. Against pacey players he’s our best option. Against teams with a more direct approach or one that will take the game to us I prefer Jedinak. Whelan I think is struggling a bit now. I know you’re a fan but I don’t think we’ll see much more of him this season. On topic it’s good to see Jack staying further forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think it depends on the opposition. Against pacey players he’s our best option. Against teams with a more direct approach or one that will take the game to us I prefer Jedinak. Whelan I think is struggling a bit now. I know you’re a fan but I don’t think we’ll see much more of him this season. On topic it’s good to see Jack staying further forward. It's not that I'm a "fan" of Whelan. I just think he gets loads of stick regardless of his performance. A lot of the fanbase seemed to form their opinion of him after his first couple of games, which were admittedly poor, and have never wavered. Most of the time Whelan plays he's pretty good. Rarely amazing, but rarely shit. But read his thread and it's like he's the worst player we've ever had. He's a far more consistent player than BB, and whilst BB has his moments, I think he's generally a poorer player than both Whelan an Jedinak. Although he does admittedly have age on his side. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: It's not that I'm a "fan" of Whelan. I just think he gets loads of stick regardless of his performance. A lot of the fanbase seemed to form their opinion of him after his first couple of games, which were admittedly poor, and have never wavered. Most of the time Whelan plays he's pretty good. Rarely amazing, but rarely shit. But read his thread and it's like he's the worst player we've ever had. He's a far more consistent player than BB, and whilst BB has his moments, I think he's generally a poorer player than both Whelan an Jedinak. Although he does admittedly have age on his side. I know what you mean. I think the same about Taylor and sometimes Elmo. Taylor was ok last 2 games but minds have been made up about him and to some he can never do right again. As for Thor. I agree he is no where near as good as Jed and Whelan were at his age. They are both just leggy now for a position that needs a lot of movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's not that I'm a "fan" of Whelan. I just think he gets loads of stick regardless of his performance. A lot of the fanbase seemed to form their opinion of him after his first couple of games, which were admittedly poor, and have never wavered. Most of the time Whelan plays he's pretty good. Rarely amazing, but rarely shit. But read his thread and it's like he's the worst player we've ever had. He's a far more consistent player than BB, and whilst BB has his moments, I think he's generally a poorer player than both Whelan an Jedinak. Although he does admittedly have age on his side. I don't mind Whelan, a much better option than Hourihane or BB to go alongside McGinn and Grealish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think it depends on the opposition. Against pacey players he’s our best option. Against teams with a more direct approach or one that will take the game to us I prefer Jedinak. Whelan I think is struggling a bit now. I know you’re a fan but I don’t think we’ll see much more of him this season. On topic it’s good to see Jack staying further forward. I think Whelan is ahead of Jedinak in the pecking order. Jedinak hasnt got a minute yet especially with Bolton knocking it long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's not that I'm a "fan" of Whelan. I just think he gets loads of stick regardless of his performance. A lot of the fanbase seemed to form their opinion of him after his first couple of games, which were admittedly poor, and have never wavered. Most of the time Whelan plays he's pretty good. Rarely amazing, but rarely shit. But read his thread and it's like he's the worst player we've ever had. He's a far more consistent player than BB, and whilst BB has his moments, I think he's generally a poorer player than both Whelan an Jedinak. Although he does admittedly have age on his side. Completely agree in that Whelan is more often than not a good performer for us. For most of this season he's also been more tidy on the ball than BB. What BB does bring I guess is increased mobility and the occasional goal threat. Whelan definitely doesn't have that. Its ridiculous because we've got three decent enough options in that position but I think it'll be one of the first signings Smith makes because of how important the position is for how he wants to play. Writing definitely on the wall for Jedi, he has had a decent career but I'd be surprised if he makes 10 starts for Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Zatman said: I think Whelan is ahead of Jedinak in the pecking order. Jedinak hasnt got a minute yet especially with Bolton knocking it long Has he been fit though? If he has then you’re probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 You just know grealish will pick up a booking this weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: You just know grealish will pick up a booking this weekend... 5 bookings and a suspension seems harsh considering how easy it is to get booked these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: 5 bookings and a suspension seems harsh considering how easy it is to get booked these days. I know. I would seriously tjink about taking grealish off at 60 minute mark for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 57 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Has he been fit though? If he has then you’re probably right. He has been on the bench for last 3 games at least. Not sure if he was on bench vs Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: It's not that I'm a "fan" of Whelan. I just think he gets loads of stick regardless of his performance. A lot of the fanbase seemed to form their opinion of him after his first couple of games, which were admittedly poor, and have never wavered. Most of the time Whelan plays he's pretty good. Rarely amazing, but rarely shit. But read his thread and it's like he's the worst player we've ever had. He's a far more consistent player than BB, and whilst BB has his moments, I think he's generally a poorer player than both Whelan an Jedinak. Although he does admittedly have age on his side. I think a lot depends on what folk are looking for in the first place. Whelan is sometimes compared for the wrong reasons and his qualities are not always valued. He is not eye candy, like some, thus not always appreciated in the right context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 A goal, an assist, another attempt from the top of the box on target, forcing another save. Good to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villan-scott Posted November 7, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Superb from Grealish. If he can continue to deliver the end product then we truly have a remarkable player on our hands! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Barely heard his name mentioned on here, how was he today for anyone that watched the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Barely heard his name mentioned on here, how was he today for anyone that watched the game? Quiet firsr half but ran the show second. Tracked back superbly too. You could tell he was very sensible with his challenges to avoid a yellow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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