penguin Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 hours ago, villalad21 said: It's ridiculous to say he doesn't perform because Pep doesn't use him right. True world class players like Gerrard, Zidane etc would be world class in any system and under any manager. Gerrard even got moved to the wing at times under Rafa and still performed at the highest level. The best players are intelligent and can adapt. If Grealish can't make it under one of the greatest managers ever he was never as good as we thought he was. Just a decent player who stood out because of all the dross that was around him. Just a decent player. Nothing more nothing less. He’s been there for half a season, let’s not write him off as a myth just yet. It’s 100% a system that doesn’t play to his strengths that can’t be discounted, let alone branded as ridiculous. It’s very well known for players to take time to adapt to Pep’s system - Bernardo Silva, Mahrez, Rodri and Cancelo and I’m sure many others all took quite some time to hit the levels they are playing at now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I hope he continues to flop because that £100m is all the more sweeter if he does. I do genuinely wonder if he regrets it or not. Obviously, there is the money, but he’d be filthy rich either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 14 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: I have been watching Villa for 50 years and their is no question he is the most talented player to play for us in that time. Sorry, that accolade belongs to Paul McGrath.Closely followed by Brian Little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, meregreen said: Sorry, that accolade belongs to Paul McGrath.Closely followed by Brian Little. I remember McGrath as a player and yes he was amazing. However as a youngster, going to the Villa regularly I was more impressed by Tony Daley, David Platt, Dwight Yorke. It was the flair players that impressed me most I hate to say it but in my lifetime going to the Villa since '86 Greal-hiss was up there with best, pity he p***** his legend status away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2022 Got a feeling We ain't seen the last of Jack in a villa shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, tinker said: Got a feeling We ain't seen the last of Jack in a villa shirt. He's never coming back 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, meregreen said: Sorry, that accolade belongs to Paul McGrath.Closely followed by Brian Little. European cup winner Gary Shaw also says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: He's never coming back I think so too. Said before I dont think Gerrard would take him. Not for personality but now our players like quick one twos and Jack doesn't fit that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, meregreen said: Sorry, that accolade belongs to Paul McGrath.Closely followed by Brian Little. Said before you have to consider the changes in availability of football and the ease at how it can be watched, there's a whole generation of villa fans who never saw those players and a lot more who if they were lucky enough to see them only saw them a handful of times, compare that to having probably 90% of Jack's games available via different sources I'm 37, I saw Mcgrath less than 5 times on TV, watched him more for Ireland, even players like Yorke or or Mellberg or Ashley Young I couldn't watch every game, grealish apart from some random cup and championship games I could and I usually did Comfortably the best player I've ever seen in c&b, honestly it's not even close I'd be genuinely interested how many time Brian Little played for villa on TV because I haven't got a clue what it was like back then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post regular_john Posted January 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, tinker said: Got a feeling We ain't seen the last of Jack in a villa shirt. That's very much the impression I get. He clearly loves The Villa and, had we been able to offer European football etc. probably would have spent his career here. I get the impression he's gone off to tick his career boxes by winning the league, cups, playing in CL etc. before coming home for the last few years of his career. I don't wish him any ill. He was great for us and I hope he continues to have an excellent career. Just like Deano, he's one of our own. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think so too. Said before I dont think Gerrard would take him. Not for personality but now our players like quick one twos and Jack doesn't fit that He has 7 years plus playing career, Gerrard will be gone in 3 seasons , he either gets us into Europe and then goes to lpool or doesn't and gets sacked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It’s a time timing issue (as ever). He’s still ahead of us now. By the time he thinks we’re a good fit for him, he’s probably not what we’re looking for. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, tinker said: He has 7 years plus playing career, Gerrard will be gone in 3 seasons , he either gets us into Europe and then goes to lpool or doesn't and gets sacked. Yes and our structure is to bring in a manager with a similar style. As for Grealish, with his injuries and lifestyle then he will be lucky to be playing top flight at 30. Look at Wilshere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted January 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Said before you have to consider the changes in availability of football and the ease at how it can be watched, there's a whole generation of villa fans who never saw those players and a lot more who if they were lucky enough to see them only saw them a handful of times, compare that to having probably 90% of Jack's games available via different sources I'm 37, I saw Mcgrath less than 5 times on TV, watched him more for Ireland, even players like Yorke or or Mellberg or Ashley Young I couldn't watch every game, grealish apart from some random cup and championship games I could and I usually did Comfortably the best player I've ever seen in c&b, honestly it's not even close I'd be genuinely interested how many time Brian Little played for villa on TV because I haven't got a clue what it was like back then Very few, probably the most notable one was the second reply in 1977 League cup when he scored a braceI think he scored 13 goals in that tournament that season including a hat-trick in the semi-final reply against QPR. Believe the hype he walked on water , It’s a tragedy that more of him is not on film 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted January 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, Follyfoot said: Very few, probably the most notable one was the second reply in 1977 League cup when he scored a braceI think he scored 13 goals in that tournament that season including a hat-trick in the semi-final reply against QPR. Believe the hype he walked on water , It’s a tragedy that more of him is not on film I think he’s goal Manchester United in the FA Cup from about 35 yards is also on YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, tinker said: Got a feeling We ain't seen the last of Jack in a villa shirt. There's always the 'legends' 5 a side I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I dont want grealish back. I rather see a team of talent working hard than one exceptional player on the side we heavily rely on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, regular_john said: I get the impression he's gone off to tick his career boxes by winning the league, cups, playing in CL etc. before coming home for the last few years of his career. Why the hell would we want him back then…knackered and past it. He’s not the type of player whose going to have a career at the top end long into his thirties given his injury history and off the field activities. Also given where we are going we should be a consistent top 8 team by then so we wouldn’t be interested in him. If he comes back as you say at the end of his career then NSWE has failed at this club over the coming years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: Comfortably the best player I've ever seen in c&b, honestly it's not even close Not hard considering how crap we’ve been for 20 years, it’s not exactly a good bench mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: Why the hell would we want him back then…knackered and past it. He’s not the type of player whose going to have a career at the top end long into his thirties given his injury history and off the field activities. Also given where we are going we should be a consistent top 8 team by then so we wouldn’t be interested in him. If he comes back as you say at the end of his career then NSWE has failed at this club over the coming years. We'll see. I've seen far too many false dawns down B6 to make any assumptions about where we may or may not be in X years time. Maybe we'll be in a good place and he'll be nothing more than a squad player. Maybe it will have all gone tits up (again) and he'll be hailed as a prodigal son returning to get us out of the shit (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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