PussEKatt Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, av1 said: This isn't a "we're better off without him" post before anyone jumps down my neck, and I'll be absolutely gutted when he leaves, but Jack being so far ahead of anything else in the squad - I think creates it's own problems. You can see every single player on the pitch looking for Jack as soon as they receive the ball. It's painful to watch and so easy to defend against. To be clear again, I'm not blaming Jack for anything, but we need to start being a team instead of a 1 man show. I remember,in a world cup final.The manager took off Baggio because the whole team depended on him too much and as far as I can remember,Italy played much better and won that final ( 1990 I think ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjc Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I thought he'd come back from the break raring to go, effectively having had a decent rest (from looking drained / losing heart with some pretty average performances pre-lockdown), and basically having got away with the lockdown issue as cleanly as he could have done (obviously speculating, but I imagine that could have been a whole lot worse had the circumstances behind the car crash fully come out, rather than being quietly managed away). But he's looked laboured, like he knows the game is up, like he has no faith in his teammates any more (maybe fair!), and like he's conceded we've gone. Which sadly, we now probably have. I don't think he doesn't care at all....but that is how it's panned out. There was a short spell towards the end of the Newcastle game where he looked unplayable, but other than that it's been a really disappointing return - and with short term sentiment weirdly meaning a lot, it's probably cost us a few £m and him potentially an England call up soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I remember,in a world cup final.The manager took off Baggio because the whole team depended on him too much and as far as I can remember,Italy played much better and won that final ( 1990 I think ) That never happened 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I think that the reason Jack is playing so bad is because he has realised that his belovid Villa are going down and there is nothing he can do about it ( by himself ) In other words,he has given up and I cant blame him.It was Jack that got us promoted,it was Jack that was the best player in the whole squad.FFS, he is not superman.He has realised that he has done his best and without any other sort of help.Its not enough to keep us up. No it wasnt Jack that just got us promoted, There were a good many players clicking together last season and Tammy was here also, right players together at right time. I dont think it's because hes given up, I just think he had a very good spell and you and others alike think hes a god on the pitch and hes like anyone else that at anytime players just cant repeat there brilliant spells and go through patches. I also think hes been found out, players at first didnt know how to deal with his way of play. They have learnt how to shut him down, not commit in one on ones and shut him down more easily by groups of two or three and not make stupid rash decisions on taking the ball from him that give him a foul. Edited July 10, 2020 by Dave-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, lexicon said: I'm inclined to agree. I think we'd be better off selling him and reinvesting the money into two quality players (assuming we get around 60mil) rather than over-relying and overworking him - it's too much pressure on just one player and he's not handling it. Yeah i agree with that. I think the assumption was trez wes and .McGinn would help grealish out but its failed massively. Id rather build a great squad that may not have a one superstar but has quality so we dont have to rely on one player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave-R said: I think that's a bit of the problem, our stars doing to much social media posts, snaps and showing themselves off to much to the world for getting what's really important (football). It's almost as if being in the premier they think they are it now and dont have to fight to stay. Like some say theres a new haircut every week or some new gimmick to show off like it's all for the cameras and that's all they are fussed about. Look at Mings last season he was doing none of this stuff on twitter or social media as he is now this season, he cant bloody keep his mouth shut lately and has to be involved in everything or be in the limelight somehow someway. These stars of ours we seem to have hit the point where they think they are the bollox, like they are some high maintenance wife to keep,they are not and they need to come back to earth and realisethey are the bottom of the barrel in the premier. Point blank they need to realise to shut up, go out there and play damn football and nothing more. Cant agree more with this dave. Esp your point about mings in the limelight more like a hollywood star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave-R said: Point blank they need to realise to shut up, go out there and play damn football and nothing more. That’s not going to happen, especially when the clubs whore the players out every chance they get we are not shit because of social media and marketing opportunities, that’s just a part of modern football that people don’t get or like, the likes of jack and mings having a bigger brand than their footballing ability is what it is, grealish in particular is because villa have flogged him half to death over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Dave-R said: No it wasnt Jack that just got us promoted His role in our promotion was a hell of a lot bigger than his role in our relegation the level of what have you done for me lately in here is mental but unfortunately not surprising 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I always dreaded the day that Jack finally left but I’ve got to to say he’s making it a lot easier lately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I remember,in a world cup final.The manager took off Baggio because the whole team depended on him too much and as far as I can remember,Italy played much better and won that final ( 1990 I think ) The 1990 final between Germany and Argentina? Yeah Baggio had a stormer in that game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2020 I think the notion that he's not trying is utter utter bollocks. He's the only one out there who looks like he gives a shit. Unfortunately he's surrounded by shit players, playing shit, under a shit manager. He's not Messi. He can't dribble it around whole teams and score. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I remember,in a world cup final.The manager took off Baggio because the whole team depended on him too much and as far as I can remember,Italy played much better and won that final ( 1990 I think ) Baggio only played in one world cup final. He played the whole game and missed the deciding penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffoman Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think the notion that he's not trying is utter utter bollocks. He's the only one out there who looks like he gives a shit. Unfortunately he's surrounded by shit players, playing shit, under a shit manager. He's not Messi. He can't dribble it around whole teams and score. I cant agree with this at all. I love Jack but thats nonsense. He has hardly looked like he's breaking his bollocks since the restart. Because he has been so great before he's getting a pass from a lot of people. Plenty of players with far less ability putting in a bigger shift than him. Look at Trez he's muck but hes putting in a huge amount of work out on that pitch. Jack simply isnt doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Don’t know what’s happened to him but obviously his head isn’t right at the moment. Let’s not forget how good he has been for 3/4 of the season though and if we do have a player of the season he still wins it hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I think he may be playing with a foot injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I remember,in a world cup final.The manager took off Baggio because the whole team depended on him too much and as far as I can remember,Italy played much better and won that final ( 1990 I think ) What is this nonsense?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_82 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Can Baggio play Sunday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KH** Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, cb_82 said: Can Baggio play Sunday? Can we loan Januzaj if Baggio plays Sunday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I think the notion that he's not trying is utter utter bollocks. He's the only one out there who looks like he gives a shit. Unfortunately he's surrounded by shit players, playing shit, under a shit manager. He's not Messi. He can't dribble it around whole teams and score. I don’t know how you can’t see a difference in his performances since the restart. I actually thought he might struggle without a crowd, more so at least than others but I’m not seeing what I’d hope to see from someone of his ability and standing as captain. We have no leadership on the pitch and he’s meant to be the/a leader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Baggio, the man with the lockdown haircut before it was a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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