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turvontour Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 It might just be because hes not at Villa but it feels like hes disappeared. I thought he would be even more prominent at man city but is seems to have gone the other way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, turvontour said: It might just be because hes not at Villa but it feels like hes disappeared. I thought he would be even more prominent at man city but is seems to have gone the other way. He's been left out of recent fixtures. I think the style of play which City has, which consists of intricate passing sequences, if and when the opposition has so many men protecting the final third and the box, is such a contrast to what Grealish was largely used to where he had the freedom to pick the ball up fairly deep and then waltz solo into our attacking half and even beyond at his will. They've got him as a left sided forward again but he's often, from what I've seen, almost suffocated playing in confined spaces and penned into pigeon-holes that really don't allow for the best in him to come out, at least not the best of him that was developed and established for us. He'll have to adjust and adapt but you have to wonder if, like Coutinho at Barca, it is ultimately considered a flop move because the club who have brought in the talent don't use them in a role that allows for the play that earned them the move in the first place!! Edited January 14, 2022 by A'Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThunderPower_14 Posted January 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, turvontour said: It might just be because hes not at Villa but it feels like hes disappeared. I thought he would be even more prominent at man city but is seems to have gone the other way. They're a soulless club at this point. They're going to win the title because they've paid by far the most for their squad. They don't have deep support, they have broad support. Nobody really loves or hates them or their players because none of those players are going to really make a difference to their fortunes at this stage. None of their players are really heroes that capture supporter hearts because you capturing hearts is all about stirring up hope. Coutinho and Digne have absolutely set the Villa fanbase ablaze because of what their signings mean for our club. There is nobody in the world that Man City could sign that would be that important for them. Pep coaches them to be easily rotatable robots. There are no talismans or characters on the field. The likes of Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool, while in dominant positions over the last 2 decades, had a huge amount of history and character that made them interesting. Not Man City. By being so rich and so soulless they've effectively transcended what makes football fun and interesting. So a story about Jack Grealish isn't worth writing because nobody cares. Nobody is discussing Jack on social media because nobody cares. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 5 hours ago, ThunderPower_14 said: Nobody really loves or hates them or their players because none of those players are going to really make a difference to their fortunes at this stage. None of their players are really heroes that capture supporter hearts because you capturing hearts is all about stirring up hope. I think this is a good point. I found Aguero and Silva quite likeable as players, because they had really dragged them first to that title and then to being the best side in the country, and they did entertain quite a lot on the way. I find it hard to care about any of their current players. Mostly just a bunch of brushed-steel terminators. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 6 hours ago, ThunderPower_14 said: They're a soulless club at this point. They're going to win the title because they've paid by far the most for their squad. They don't have deep support, they have broad support. Nobody really loves or hates them or their players because none of those players are going to really make a difference to their fortunes at this stage. None of their players are really heroes that capture supporter hearts because you capturing hearts is all about stirring up hope. Coutinho and Digne have absolutely set the Villa fanbase ablaze because of what their signings mean for our club. There is nobody in the world that Man City could sign that would be that important for them. Pep coaches them to be easily rotatable robots. There are no talismans or characters on the field. The likes of Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool, while in dominant positions over the last 2 decades, had a huge amount of history and character that made them interesting. Not Man City. By being so rich and so soulless they've effectively transcended what makes football fun and interesting. So a story about Jack Grealish isn't worth writing because nobody cares. Nobody is discussing Jack on social media because nobody cares. They are a soulless club now, but their history pre PL isn't too shabby. They were a proper club with a team full of household names and they bounced around the divisions just like Chelsea and Manure did for a while. That history is what makes what they've become even more sad. More soulless than Chelski and that's saying something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 9 hours ago, turvontour said: It might just be because hes not at Villa but it feels like hes disappeared. I thought he would be even more prominent at man city but is seems to have gone the other way. In terms off on the pitch yes, but is now a staple of the gossip pages and generally I am sure his social media team believe he is a bigger star now. He will win a load of trophies and earn a ton of money at City. I am sure he is very happy with his move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: In terms off on the pitch yes, but is now a staple of the gossip pages and generally I am sure his social media team believe he is a bigger star now. He will win a load of trophies and earn a ton of money at City. I am sure he is very happy with his move. Yes but he and some people on here believed that as he played with better playera he was going to be heading for Ballon D'Or nominations and would be with Messi and Mbappe as the face of this years World Cup Truth is his team really didn't realise how exposed he would be off the pitch. Whether the media don't care about what happens in Birmingham or the club did an incredible job of covering up his antics it was something they really took for granted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Why did S***** think that suddenly Greal-hiss would start to behave himself, he seems to have gotten worse! Or did they just not know what he was like and his various persuasions; presumably this is his weakness. You can almost see it from afar the fella looks drained of his Qi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Zatman said: Yes but he and some people on here believed that as he played with better playera he was going to be heading for Ballon D'Or nominations and would be with Messi and Mbappe as the face of this years World Cup Truth is his team really didn't realise how exposed he would be off the pitch. Whether the media don't care about what happens in Birmingham or the club did an incredible job of covering up his antics it was something they really took for granted or just dont read the gossip pages of the rags i still think he will be the face of the world cup for england but i dont see the pepsi deal coming any time soon, he's still way off sterling and kane outside of the UK i'll be honest and say i knew city would be tough but i thought he'd have done more, the system and style that pep has him playing has really neutered him - but i think southgate will let him off the leash and let him run at people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 8 hours ago, A'Villan said: He'll have to adjust and adapt but you have to wonder if, like Coutinho at Barca, it is ultimately considered a flop move because the club who have brought in the talent don't use them in a role that allows for the play that earned them the move in the first place!! like coutinho at barca a player that ultimately they didnt need.... barca are slightly different though in that they're a mess and they're a bit more man utd with signings that are blatantly peacocking rather than for footballing reasons (coutinho and griezmann both very guilty of that) whereas i wouldnt aim that criticism at city, he's not a muscle flexing look at us signing to try and impress the part time global football audience, i dont think city do that i think they have a plan for him its just a weird looking signing because the nurturing of him to fit that plan seems to involve taking away what made the £100m player in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, turnbull said: They are a soulless club now, but their history pre PL isn't too shabby. They were a proper club with a team full of household names and they bounced around the divisions just like Chelsea and Manure did for a while. That history is what makes what they've become even more sad. More soulless than Chelski and that's saying something. That’s a very relevant and often forgotten point. I had a lot of time for City fans at the time they were relegated and dropped down to the old first division, they had a loyal fan base who followed their team week in week out regardless of which division they were in. Away games at Maine Rd were interesting to say the least especially after the game but they were a proper football club. Nowadays they’re as soulless as a club can be, a tourist day out with half and half scarves everywhere - a light blue version of ManUre. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted January 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Robbie09 said: That’s a very relevant and often forgotten point. I had a lot of time for City fans at the time they were relegated and dropped down to the old first division, they had a loyal fan base who followed their team week in week out regardless of which division they were in. Away games at Maine Rd were interesting to say the least especially after the game but they were a proper football club. Nowadays they’re as soulless as a club can be, a tourist day out with half and half scarves everywhere - a light blue version of ManUre. loads of alleys and backstreets, terrible on a night game and could get lost easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 hours ago, turnbull said: They are a soulless club now, but their history pre PL isn't too shabby. They were a proper club with a team full of household names and they bounced around the divisions just like Chelsea and Manure did for a while. That history is what makes what they've become even more sad. More soulless than Chelski and that's saying something. It is interesting because despite Chelsea having gone through the same period of becoming mega rich and buying titles, they never felt soulless like this. I think at this point it's Pep's influence. His style of rotating footballing robots who are individually meaningless makes them boring. Chelsea had some incredible teams but in those teams they had big characters like Drogba, Lampard and Terry. @HanoiVillan made a great point that Aguero and Silva were a bit different because they dragged them to their first title before they had established themselves as the big dogs in the league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, ThunderPower_14 said: It is interesting because despite Chelsea having gone through the same period of becoming mega rich and buying titles, they never felt soulless like this. I think at this point it's Pep's influence. His style of rotating footballing robots who are individually meaningless makes them boring. Chelsea had some incredible teams but in those teams they had big characters like Drogba, Lampard and Terry. @HanoiVillan made a great point that Aguero and Silva were a bit different because they dragged them to their first title before they had established themselves as the big dogs in the league. City were actually likeable under the last 2 managers and showed personality. Now they just play boring risk free negative football 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Now they just play boring risk free negative football Course they do. Hold on What!? 21 games 53 goals this season. 38 games, 83 goals last, 38 games 102 goals the one before that, then 38 and 95 goals. They are not remotely negative, not to me boring or risk free. They are supremely good, IMO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Just now, blandy said: Course they do. Hold on What!? 21 games 53 goals this season. 38 games, 83 goals last, 38 games 102 goals the one before that, then 38 and 95 goals. They are not remotely negative, not to me boring or risk free. They are supremely good, IMO. They are very good at what they do but the football is robotic and nearly all of the goals are the same like from an American Football play book. It is one of the reason I expected Jack to fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I think theres a wider thing that the PL is exciting or at least can be because there's a degree of sloppiness, mental switch offs and lack of quality Man City have very very little of that which is why they are the best team but then yeah it can also lead to some games not being as exciting as others in the league But that's because pep is the best manager in the world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I think theres a wider thing that the PL is exciting or at least can be because there's a degree of sloppiness, mental switch offs and lack of quality Man City have very very little of that which is why they are the best team but then yeah it can also lead to some games not being as exciting as others in the league But that's because pep is the best manager in the world Essentially that's true. His Barcelona team were also monotonously boring and won everything comfortably. Though I'm sure there's a pretty big element sour grapes from the rest of us in it. I reckon we'd all be pretty happy if we were Barcelona fans watching our team under him a few years ago or City fans today. It's easier for us to leave our allegiances behind and acknowledge the success when it's an underdog story like Leicester than it is to get past the feeling of inevitability his teams produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 hours ago, ThunderPower_14 said: It is interesting because despite Chelsea having gone through the same period of becoming mega rich and buying titles, they never felt soulless like this. I think at this point it's Pep's influence. His style of rotating footballing robots who are individually meaningless makes them boring. Chelsea had some incredible teams but in those teams they had big characters like Drogba, Lampard and Terry. @HanoiVillan made a great point that Aguero and Silva were a bit different because they dragged them to their first title before they had established themselves as the big dogs in the league. Chelsea were the first though, so it had a sense of intrigue even for the neutrals. By the first I mean the first to be taken over by a megabucks foreigner essentially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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