itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) You can't choose what country you're from xD If you were born in Ireland then you're Irish, if you were born in England then you're English, it's not an argument, you can't 'raise them Irish' lol I know the Irish fans feel hard done by after losing him after all the time he's spent wit the Irish team, but the lad wants to play for HIS country, not his dad's. You can choose your nationality though. I was born in England, my first language was Polish, I attended a weekend Polish school where I got a GCSE, I went/served at Polish mass, went to Polish Scouts and eat Polish food in a family with Polish on both sides. I didn't even know the word for 'dressing gown' till I was 16, it was always a szlafrok to me. So what am I? English because I was born here or Polish because it was my culture and heritage? Whatever he chooses I think it's fair enough, if it's Ireland he probably feels a connection or perhaps wan't to be a big fish in a small pond, if it's England he feels more English with a desire to try and win a tournament. I just hope he signs a contract with us asap; Edited September 11, 2014 by itdoesntmatterwhatthissay 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I wish he worked a bit harder for the team. I think he's a talent, and I like seeing him in the team, but he occasionally walks when running would be more helpful to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 You can't choose what country you're from xD If you were born in Ireland then you're Irish, if you were born in England then you're English, it's not an argument, you can't 'raise them Irish' lol I know the Irish fans feel hard done by after losing him after all the time he's spent wit the Irish team, but the lad wants to play for HIS country, not his dad's. You can choose your nationality though. I was born in England, my first language was Polish, I attended a weekend Polish school where I got a GCSE, I went/served at Polish mass, went to Polish Scouts and eat Polish food in a family with Polish on both sides. I didn't even know the word for 'dressing gown' till I was 16, it was always a szlafrok to me. So what am I? English because I was born here or Polish because it was my culture and heritage? Whatever he chooses I think it's fair enough, if it's Ireland he probably feels a connection or perhaps wan't to be a big fish in a small pond, if it's England he feels more English with a desire to try and win a tournament. I just hope he signs a contract with us asap; Call yourself Spartan for all I care mate, you're English, love it or hate it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Being born somewhere doesn't make you from there? Are you a moron? If you're born in Ireland, but you're parents were born in Spain, and their patents in the Czech rep, then what nationality are you if what you say is true and it's based on genetics?...... Nationality is NOT based on genetics I know that it's not genetics. I'm most certainly not a moron because of being able to know legal entitlement to citizenship of Ireland. It's more ignorance on your part really. Being born in a country does not make you legally a citizen from there. For example one or other of your parents have to be citizens of Ireland before you are entitled to an Irish passport at birth, regardless of if you were born in Ireland or not. Obviously Jack is English by right of being born and raised in England with the legal rights of his Irish parents being EU citizens, but he is also entitled to an Irish passport too. Nationality is not a simple as you are born somewhere and that's your nationality forever. If I have kids here in London and move back to Ireland when they're toddlers and my wife is Irish. There isn't a hope in hell that my kids are English just because I happend to be working in England at the time of their conception. Nationality, and national identity are very different. I think anybody aged 18 can decide that for themselves. So Jack going out and playing fir the Irish U21's at age 19 while he thinks about who he plays for is just wrong. Edited September 11, 2014 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Being born somewhere doesn't make you from there? Are you a moron? If you're born in Ireland, but you're parents were born in Spain, and their patents in the Czech rep, then what nationality are you if what you say is true and it's based on genetics?...... Nationality is NOT based on genetics I know that it's not genetics. I'm most certainly not a moron because of being able to know legal entitlement to citizenship of Ireland. It's more ignorance on your part really. Being born in a country does not make you legally a citizen from there. Fro example one or other of your parents have to be citizens of Ireland before you can get an Irish passport regardless of if you are born there or not. Obviously Jack is English by right of being born and raised in England with the legal rights of his Irish parents being EU citizens, but he is also entitled to an Irish passport too. Nationality is not a simple as you are born somewhere and that's your nationality forever. If I have kids here in London and move back to Ireland when they're toddlers and my wife is Irish. There isn't a hope in hell that my kids are English just because I happend to be working in England at the time of their conception. Nationality, and national identity are very different. I think anybody aged 18 can decide that for themselves. So Jack going out and playing fir the Irish U21's at age 19 while he thinks about who he plays for is just wrong. The bold bit is true and contradicts most of what you've said. Where you're born = nationality How you feel = national identity In your example, your kids ARE English. They might identify more with being Irish, consider themselves to be Irish and may well cheer on the Irish national teams in all sports. Nationality wise, they're English (British). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's not ignorance, yes there are ins and outs, I know you're parents have to be a citizen and I'm not suggesting that if my misses has a baby in Cyprus next summer while were on holiday that my child is Cypriat. But you're nitpicking now. What we're talking about is the general rule that if you're born and raised in a country then that's your nationality, agree with it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 You can't choose what country you're from xD If you were born in Ireland then you're Irish, if you were born in England then you're English, it's not an argument, you can't 'raise them Irish' lol I know the Irish fans feel hard done by after losing him after all the time he's spent wit the Irish team, but the lad wants to play for HIS country, not his dad's. You can choose your nationality though. I was born in England, my first language was Polish, I attended a weekend Polish school where I got a GCSE, I went/served at Polish mass, went to Polish Scouts and eat Polish food in a family with Polish on both sides. I didn't even know the word for 'dressing gown' till I was 16, it was always a szlafrok to me. So what am I? English because I was born here or Polish because it was my culture and heritage? Whatever he chooses I think it's fair enough, if it's Ireland he probably feels a connection or perhaps wan't to be a big fish in a small pond, if it's England he feels more English with a desire to try and win a tournament. I just hope he signs a contract with us asap; Call yourself Spartan for all I care mate, you're English, love it or hate it What a repulsive post. I think it's time to for me stop posting in the thread. I've explained my opinions, the topic is now moving off from Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's so funny reading people attempt to argue and almost always resorting to some sort of rudeness towards the other poster. Why can't people debate in a genuine and frank way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I may be wrong here, but sure I read that at 17 Ireland wanted to call him up yo U21s, whereas England advised at that stage of his development (no first team etc) he would likely to play u19s. Therefore he choose Ireland to develop further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Wonder if he'll be playing for the U21s tonight against Arsenal, he played the last game didn't he? Edited September 11, 2014 by packoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Who cares? If he plays to Ireland, he won't play in as many tournaments. If he plays for England, he'll most likely move to a bigger club in a shorter period of time and be called shit once he's won more than a handful of caps. Whatever he chooses is down to him. He's got the option of two countries and he'll choose whichever one suits him most, not what he "feels more than". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Who cares? If he plays to Ireland, he won't play in as many tournaments. If he plays for England, he'll most likely move to a bigger club in a shorter period of time and be called shit once he's won more than a handful of caps. Whatever he chooses is down to him. He's got the option of two countries and he'll choose whichever one suits him most, not what he "feels more than". Well yes, obviously this (aside from the moving clubs bit!). Personally, I don't care who he decides to represent internationally. Villa > *. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted September 11, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 Ok folks, think this one has run its course the topic of peoples nationality can be a sensitive one and really shouldn't enter into a topic about young Jack. So... lets keep it on topic and off poster please and if need be agree to disagree. Ta 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Possible to splice this into an off-topic thread? It's an interesting subject that raises it's head from time to time. Also, great to hear that he wants to stay and that Lambert and Keano are supporting and helping him develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 All I care about his AVFC. As long as he commits his future to us then he can play for San Marino for all I care. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtysanchez Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I wish he worked a bit harder for the team. I think he's a talent, and I like seeing him in the team, but he occasionally walks when running would be more helpful to the team. Hadn't noticed this tbh, I need to see him play 90 and then maybe come back to the statement above, is he starting tonight for u21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 is he starting tonight for u21? Nope, not involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think it's a bit much for him to play 2 games a week now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm late to the party but his birthday tweet mocking Yaya was hilarious. Props to the kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think it's a bit much for him to play 2 games a week now Why would he be playing with the u21s? He is a first teamer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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