villasam82 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I for one hope he decides to join the England setup as I believe he could be a future England star but again it's up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) He's a born and bred, out and out Brummie. The heart of England, middle earth! Get your own talent yeah! Bred you say!! There's not even a single drop of English blood in him He's never played for England. Ever. But played for Ireland 18 times. I do understand though, good young Villa player, the majority of people on here will want him to play for England. I'd have no problem with that had he not represented Ireland 18 times. That's all. Edited September 11, 2014 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villasam82 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He's a born and bred, out and out Brummie. The heart of England, middle earth! Get your own talent yeah! Bred you say!! There's not even a single drop of English blood in him He's never played for England. Ever. But played for Ireland 18 times. I do understand though, good young Villa player, the majority of people on here will want him to play for England. I'd have no problem with that had he not represented Ireland 18 times. That's all. So you would turn down your own country if the same happened to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 11, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2014 The lad is English, so should play for England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I personally hope he never gets anywhere near the England team because the track record of Villa players playing for England is that they **** off at the earliest possible opportunity. Keep pulling up trees for Ireland Jack, and for Gods sake sign the new Villa contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 What players have Ireland had who've played for another countries U21's ? McClean is one, Clark is another one though just checking Wiki it states he's represented England at all levels up to U20, not U21. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Irish blood is a terrible argument. What makes his blood Irish? If blood can't change nationality by a person being born and living their entire life in a country then surely there's no such thing as Irish blood. All human blood is therefore African. He declared for Ireland when he was 14 and under his parents' supervision. Declaring what nation he plays for at full International level is a decision for himself. Listen to him. Does he sound Irish to anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCyn0b4XAA All that said, I'd rather he played for Ireland due to the fact all regular England players invariably end up at one of the rich clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Both Grealish's Parents are Irish. So lets just state that first. Secondly he felt Irish enough to represent our country up to U21 level. It's now when he suddenly thinks hmm maybe I'll play for England. I think it's as simple as England will have a better team and more importantly he'll make more money if he's an England international. At the end of the day it's his choice, the rule let him change who he plays for until Senior Level. I'll lose a huge amount of respect for him of course if he decides to switch to England after the work Ireland has done at under age level with him. But this isn't confined to just Grealish, Mark Noble could play for Ireland now and that's just not on either. I do not agree with people changing nationality after U21 level for what is certainly only personal gain. If McIlroy had said he'd represent GB at Olympics having never represented any country bar Ireland in any international golf tournament before at any level I'd feel angry. People put lots of work into his career with the Ireland set up and to turn his back on them would have been selfish. But Rory is Irish so he had no intention to do that. Grealish is going to wait to see how Ireland do this season in qualifying and then decide they're good enough to let me play in a World Cup or European Championships. I don't like that. It's got nothing to do with personal gain, money or who's playing better. Have you ever thought for one teeny, tiny second that maybe, just maybe, he wants to play for England, because he is English? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Don't care much about the national team to be honest, but if I moved abroad & had kids I would still consider them Irish, and if one of them (please god) turns into a very promising footballer, I would want him to play for Ireland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Don't care much about the national team to be honest, but if I moved abroad & had kids I would still consider them Irish, and if one of them (please god) turns into a very promising footballer, I would want him to play for Ireland. A perfectly understandable statement. If his father is Irish (I'm pretty sure he's not though) he would want his son to play for Ireland. But as Jack is English, his is more than likely going to want to play for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Don't care much about the national team to be honest, but if I moved abroad & had kids I would still consider them Irish, and if one of them (please god) turns into a very promising footballer, I would want him to play for Ireland. By the time they were 18 though it wouldn't be your decision. Ultimately you can influence but not decide on how someone feels about their own sense of identity. And CVByrne - I think it's a little harsh to suggest it's about money. If it's not about identity, which it might be, it's more likely about the ability to play at major tournaments - especially the World Cup. Bad as England might be, Jack stands a much higher chance of playing in the knockouts of World Cup finals with England than he does with Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The lad is English, so should play for England. Why has he played for Ireland 18 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He'll make his own decision, all we can do is respect it and hope he continues to impress for Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's got nothing to do with personal gain, money or who's playing better. Have you ever thought for one teeny, tiny second that maybe, just maybe, he wants to play for England, because he is English? Again, why has he played for Ireland 18 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 11, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2014 The lad is English, so should play for England. Why has he played for Ireland 18 times? I don't know really. It's a stupid rule I think. I agree he shouldn't have played for Ireland, but even though he has, he should still play for England as he's English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Again, why has he played for Ireland 18 times? Maybe he played for Ireland because when he first started he was 14 and like a good 14 year old he did what he was told. Then he didn't change over because he was already involved in the Irish youth setup where there is a lot of overlap between the different age levels. AFAIK it is rare that a player would change nationality between different under age levels but it's much more common between U21 and senior levels. Edited September 11, 2014 by ArteSuave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The lad is English, so should play for England. Why has he played for Ireland 18 times? To get some game time? Are you seriously trying to push the argument that he's not English? Get a grip mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Don't care much about the national team to be honest, but if I moved abroad & had kids I would still consider them Irish, and if one of them (please god) turns into a very promising footballer, I would want him to play for Ireland. Exactly, if my wife is Irish and we've moved abroad for work like millions of Irish people had to do. He'd be brought up knowing he was Irish. We are a country of emigrants, but retain our identity abroad. Just look at America! This is what has happened with Grealish and his parents. From what I've heard on Second Captains podcast Grealish has lots of family and all of them who've represented at any international level have played for Ireland. Essentially he'll be the first person from his family to ever play for England. The only motivation I can see is money and the prospect of playing for a much better team in world Cups etc. It's his choice of course he should do what he wants. But he will have to accept the ill will that comes with playing 18 times for Ireland and then turning his back on that to represent England. Simple fact of life and football. Footballers get derided from changing clubs to rivals in the same city after all !!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The lad is English, so should play for England. Why has he played for Ireland 18 times?Because the FAI would select somebody who owns a Father Ted boxset if they can kick a ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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