desensitized43 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm at the point where I know we can't fix it, but I might not be alive long enough to see it get really dramatic. What can I do individually to accelerate climate change? Accelerate? Looking forward that Mediterranean lifestyle? In all seriousness, there’s nothing we as individuals can do except common sense stuff. Use less leccy, drive electric if you can afford it, eat less or no beef if you can but above all else use your vote to remove governments and those in parties that aren’t taking it seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 Climate change will wipe out society. We in the west look at it and think- 'well some equatorial regions will become uninhabitable, some folk will die, but it won't be the whole of humanity, and we're well placed to look after ourselves.'. Wrong. The pressures of massive, massive dislocation of people, migrations of refugees on a scale never seen by humanity, and pressures on resources such as water WILL lead to worldwide collapses of societies and governments. When governments cannot control even the most basic of systems of food growth and distribution and the provision of water, the destruction and death caused by the lack of infrastructure will decimate the human race. Any other argument or over politics, war, religion, art, science, or anything else is meaningless. Those things being fought over (including Ukraine, Taiwan et al) will simply not exist. I ignore all this on a daily basis, because otherwise I would simply be unable to function. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Nothing lasts forever. The Earth has a sell by date on it unfortunately. It’s common sense that at some point it will become inhabitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Nothing lasts forever. The Earth has a sell by date on it unfortunately. It’s common sense that at some point it will become inhabitable. It's been inhabited by life for 3.5 Billion Years. Humanity will have made it uninhabitable in a matter of centuries. Edited October 28, 2022 by HKP90 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 You need to convince people that directly felt pain now is worth paying for benefits they'll never see, or to mitigate a thousand small cuts multiplying. You won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, HKP90 said: It's been inhabited by life for 3.5 Billion Years. Humanity will have made it uninhabitable in a matter of centuries. Agree, we’ve been a disaster for Mother Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: You need to convince people that directly felt pain now is worth paying for benefits they'll never see, or to mitigate a thousand small cuts multiplying. You won't. I agree, but would point out that Climate Change is visible now. It's causing deaths from fire, flood, extreme weather now. It's causing droughts now. It has lead to the reduction in wildlife populations by 70% since 1970. People who don't see it purposely ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I agree, but would point out that Climate Change is visible now. It's causing deaths from fire, flood, extreme weather now. It's causing droughts now. It has lead to the reduction in wildlife populations by 70% since 1970. People who don't see it purposely ignore it. Oh I agree you can see it's effects. What I don't agree with is simultaneously that a lot of people don't see it - be that because it doesn't pointedly affect them day to day in ways they can attribute to climate change, or they've other things to worry about - and those that do see and understand it are not prepared to sacrifice things for it for a variety of reasons. If we're to fix this, the choice to help or hinder has to be removed, to force people to address it and assist in addressing it. But nobody is going to vote for that. And the developing world isn't going to look at the West and accept they can't race to develop at any cost. We're ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Human nature doesn’t support the sacrifices required to mitigate climate change. We’ll deal with the fallout but not with the prevention. Best to plan your future on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Population is 8bn roughly today. Could be 10bn by 2050 Planet is fooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: Population is 8bn roughly today. Could be 10bn by 2050 Planet is fooked. Naughty boy. You are not supposed to point out the number of people being a problem. It's just not polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, villakram said: Naughty boy. You are not supposed to point out the number of people being a problem. It's just not polite. Not a question of politeness. There’s no one who can tell me that level of growth is sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I do worry about my kids on topics like this. I’ll probably be gone when things get really bad. They’ll have to deal with the fallout of those before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 There will be a peak and a falling away again. Humans stop reproducing in ‘replacement’ numbers once they reach a certain level of wealth and education. China’s population is falling rapidly for example, Japan is going backwards as well. The west is maintaining a steady state only through immigration. Its Africa and South Asia that is still on a strong growth curve, they too will start a population decline when they reach a certain level of wealth and education. On the other hand a declining/increasingly elderly population brings its own challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: There will be a peak and a falling away again. Humans stop reproducing in ‘replacement’ numbers once they reach a certain level of wealth and education. China’s population is falling rapidly for example, Japan is going backwards as well. The west is maintaining a steady state only through immigration. Its Africa and South Asia that is still on a strong growth curve, they too will start a population decline when they reach a certain level of wealth and education. On the other hand a declining/increasingly elderly population brings its own challenges. That’s true but the modelling doesn’t show a peak until between 2080-2100 at around 10-11 billion and then a gradual fall. It’s a bit of an inexact science but from what I’ve read the level of population the planet can support sustainably is somewhere between 4-5 billion we won’t reach that sustainable level until we’ll into the next century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Extinction rebellion and their ilk could stop being hypocrites and do their bit with a mass suicide and reduce some of the population growth … but I think telling populations they can’t breed is not going to be possible , so that population curve will continue to climb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 28, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 28, 2022 We should be teaching our primary school kids how to hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Xela said: Planet is fooked. To paraphrase George Carlin, don't worry about the planet. The planet will be fine. The planet isn't going anywhere. We are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: … but I think telling populations they can’t breed is not going to be possible, so that population curve will continue to climb Nah, if you look at the population curves we are close to starting a massive decline in population. On an planetary scale, in 100 years our population starts to decline, in 1000 years we have much less population and in 10,000 or 100,000 years we definitely have a much smaller population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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