Follyfoot Posted August 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Zatman said: when Inception was released a poster on here wouldnt take any criticism to it at all. Any criticism was also that you just dont get it Dont think he posts here anymore Rather bizarrely every time I read about Inception I think of Alan Partridge trying to book tickets automatically on the phone but the booking lone does not understand what he is saying rather than the film itself 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzzle Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Rather bizarrely every time I read about Inception I think of Alan Partridge trying to book tickets automatically on the phone but the booking lone does not understand what he is saying rather than the film itself Hahaha same here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I don’t really know what’s not to get about inception, aside from the fact that it’s obviously far fetched but then so are most of his films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I don’t really know what’s not to get about inception, aside from the fact that it’s obviously far fetched but then so are most of his films. I rewatched a bit of it on TV last night, so might be able to offer a very simplistic view point on this - it quite literally disappears up it's own arse 3 or 4 time. I think for some viewers, that was a bit exhausting, and not necessarily an issue of not getting it. Personally, having seen it on the big screen upon release, I enjoyed it simply because the director has the funds, desire, and balls to throw all of that at the viewer, which isn't something you see often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 On 26/08/2020 at 22:07, darrenm said: So, Tenet Hide contents For Nolan films, I'm always a bit conflicted. He's done some huge films and they're usually a good watch. Dunkirk was great, Inception OK, Interstellar pretty good, Batmans good and bad, The Prestige amazing. Some of them really suffer from the same problems which are: The action sequences never flow properly. The Dark Knight trilogy is worst for this. Stuff happens that doesn't make sense. People do things they wouldn't do. The physics don't work. And then the sound. I don't know if this is limited to me but I have a really hard time hearing the dialogue in Nolan films. Whether it's in the cinema, home, IMAX, anything. The dialogue is just a boomy midrange buzz and I struggle to pick many words out. Tenet suffers massively from both of the above. And the science just doesn't work. I took the family for £50 at IMAX and I feel I've wasted every penny. I genuinely wanted to get up and leave halfway through because it just didn't make the slightest bit of sense. It's basically the Backwards Red Dwarf episode with Inception style fighting and Dark Knight Rises truck ambushes. And it's not just that it was poor, it was really uncomfortable because you're constantly trying to establish the ground rules. You're trying to work out the base in that world to establish your suspension of disbelief and you never can. Random, completely arbitrary items and scenes are running backwards. Perhaps there's a huge design behind all of it which makes everything make sense but when watching you have no idea why. The final act was an utter mess of the standard disjointed action sequences but with some people going forwards in time and some people going backwards through time doing some other random stuff while you sit there shrugging asking what the hell is meant to be happening. Going back to the science. Time travel is always going to be risky but this plain doesn't make sense. And it's obvious that it doesn't right at the very beginning. If you've ever watched the Red Dwarf Backwards episode and laughed off the impossibilities of all of it, then Nolan has just made a film about it and it's just as ridiculous. Perhaps I'll watch a few YouTube explainers and some of it will make sense. Some of it already does but lots of it *can't* because it's plain nonsensical. WTF Weirdly, I agree with pretty much every word you’ve written, but I actually still (kind of) enjoyed the film. I do need someone to explain it to me though! Agree on the sound too, there were a few scenes where I barely caught a word of what was being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 hours ago, wazzap24 said: Weirdly, I agree with pretty much every word you’ve written, but I actually still (kind of) enjoyed the film. I do need someone to explain it to me though! Agree on the sound too, there were a few scenes where I barely caught a word of what was being said. That seems to be the popular consensus. Audio really terrible but some people still enjoy it. Because I was so lost I hated it. I guess I can't just go along for the ride. Even though I never had a problem with Interstellar or even Safety Not Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 21:28, Mark Albrighton said: I wouldn’t go so far as to say I dislike Inception, but it certainly seemed to cement the stance of his more loyal supporters (“oh you don’t like it? It’s probably because you didn’t understand it.”). Can’t think of too many directors who have such a staunch fan base. I agree that Memento is currently still his best film, with the caveat that I have yet to see Tenet or Dunkirk. I LOVED Inception when I first saw it. It doesn't stand up to rewatches though. I think there are plot holes that irritate you when you rewatch. At the cinema though, it was brilliant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Watched David Cronenberg's "Crash" over the weekend. It's a bit like porn with a weird storyline. Not sure how I missed this for decades 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Watched David Cronenberg's "Crash" over the weekend. It's a bit like porn with a weird storyline. Not sure how I missed this for decades The good lady wife and I saw that at the cinema when it first came out. Started with about 30 people in the screening and ended up with just the two of us We both loved it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Watched David Cronenberg's "Crash" over the weekend. It's a bit like porn with a weird storyline. Not sure how I missed this for decades Time to check out Boxing Helena next? Equally weird at least, not as good thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, sne said: Time to check out Boxing Helena next? Equally weird at least, not as good thou. Think Ive seen that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: I LOVED Inception when I first saw it. It doesn't stand up to rewatches though. I think there are plot holes that irritate you when you rewatch. At the cinema though, it was brilliant Yeah that’s fair I’d say. I distinctly remember laughing at something in the hangover part 2, so the cinema experience can have an effect on my judgement. Basically I think it’s simply that it believes it’s a lot more intelligent than it really is (Inception, not the hangover part 2). It’s a bit pompous. But Nolan gets kudos for attempting something a bit different. I’m always curious what his next project is in fairness to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Designer1 said: The good lady wife and I saw that at the cinema when it first came out. Started with about 30 people in the screening and ended up with just the two of us We both loved it! Aphrodisiac, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 Spotted that "Forest Gump" was on Sky One last night so recorded it and watched it tonight. Haven't seen it for years and years. Maybe 20 years to be honest. I loved it, but I don't remember it being so sad and depressing! I was probably too young when I last saw it to understand large parts of it. But **** hell, I was very down by the end of it! Also Jenny is a massive word removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Spotted that "Forest Gump" was on Sky One last night so recorded it and watched it tonight. Haven't seen it for years and years. Maybe 20 years to be honest. I loved it, but I don't remember it being so sad and depressing! I was probably too young when I last saw it to understand large parts of it. But **** hell, I was very down by the end of it! Also Jenny is a massive word removed That movie puts my teeth on edge I love Hanks but I cannot abide it. I think this summed it up perfectly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 It's polarising. And I can see the criticisms. But I do like it to be honest. I just don't remember wanting to slit my wrists the last time I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Spotted that "Forest Gump" was on Sky One last night so recorded it and watched it tonight. Haven't seen it for years and years. Maybe 20 years to be honest. I loved it, but I don't remember it being so sad and depressing! I was probably too young when I last saw it to understand large parts of it. But **** hell, I was very down by the end of it! Also Jenny is a massive word removed As you say, a lot of people really despise that film. I sporadically hear it brought up in podcasts or on telly and there’s a sense of “**** that movie”. I haven’t watched it in ages, so I can’t say why for certain. I liked it when I was a kid. I would guess the phrase “cloying sentimentality” might feature somewhere in the criticism. Regarding Jenny, yep I remember disliking her. But in fairness, the stuff with her “affectionate father” is pretty grim and probably informs a fair bit of her character traits. Try “Being there”, if you haven’t seen it already. Like Gump,the storyline is basically simpleton makes something of himself by being in the right place at the right time. I’m willing to bet Robert Zemeckis watched Being There once or twice before working on Gump. Being There is a bit more satirical (from what I can remember). Edited September 1, 2020 by Mark Albrighton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, Mark Albrighton said: As you say, a lot of people really despise that film. I sporadically hear it brought up in podcasts or on telly and there’s a sense of “**** that movie”. I haven’t watched it in ages, so I can’t say why for certain. I liked it when I was a kid. I would guess the phrase “cloying sentimentality” might feature somewhere in the criticism. Regarding Jenny, yep I remember disliking her. But in fairness, the stuff with her “affectionate father” is pretty grim and probably informs a fair bit of her character traits. Try “Being there”, if you haven’t seen it already. Like Gump, the storyline is basically - simpleton makes something of himself by being in the right place at the right time. I’m willing to bet Robert Zemeckis watched Being There once or twice before working on Gump. Being There is a bit more satirical (from what I can remember). My enjoyment was definitely helped by a huge slice of nostalgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's polarising. And I can see the criticisms. But I do like it to be honest. I just don't remember wanting to slit my wrists the last time I saw it. My biggest issue with that film is that it beat both The Shank and Pulp Fiction to best picture, two of my favorite films ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Designer1 Posted September 1, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 Speaking of Hanks, we watched Catch me if you can again the other night. I hadn't seen it for a good few years and it was actually even better than I remembered. Cracking performances all round, including an early showing from the always fantastic Amy Adams. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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