Dodgyknees Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Insane that Mainoo gets a call up after 15 caos, yet Ramsey was on fire last season and didn’t get a look in. Grealish had to prove himself. Konsa consistently overlooked. Mental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 21 hours ago, bobzy said: Mainoo may well turn into a fantastic footballer, but how he's done enough to warrant an England first team place at this stage is utterly baffling (and I'll admit, I don't watch Man Utd games so maybe he's utter class all the time). Imagine a Villa player getting into the England squad after 10 first team games. Grealish was about 150 and Ramsey still not in one at about 100 games. Likewise if Grealish and Ramsey were at Man U would have taken them about 20 to 30 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, turvontour said: Imagine a Villa player getting into the England squad after 10 first team games. Grealish was about 150 and Ramsey still not in one at about 100 games. Likewise if Grealish and Ramsey were at Man U would have taken them about 20 to 30 games. Probably yes, but kind of so what? For most of that United have been far above us in the table and playing European football. Probably wouldn't call up someone after 20 games for Rotherham either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted March 20 VT Supporter Share Posted March 20 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Probably yes, but kind of so what? For most of that United have been far above us in the table and playing European football. Probably wouldn't call up someone after 20 games for Rotherham either. Not for Mainoo when he played his last 15 games or so for Manure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HongKongVillan said: Not for Mainoo when he played his last 15 games or so for Manure. Sorry, I'm confused, not what? EDIT: Oh okay, sorry, I see, they're not in Europe. Yes that's true. Edited March 20 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 16 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Probably yes, but kind of so what? For most of that United have been far above us in the table and playing European football. Probably wouldn't call up someone after 20 games for Rotherham either. Mason Mount had 30 odd games for Derby and got a call up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Mainoo potentially replaces henderson or phillips in that line up its a bit damned if he does damned if he doesn't, in isolation only looking at mainoo you can happily argue he shouldn't be there but when you look at the alternatives you can argue that they are worse, you cant compare him to ramsey its 2 different roles and opportunities, the opportunity is 100% there for an alternative DMC to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Mainoo is a proper player and we're severely lacking in CM. It's a no brainer to call him up or do we just play Henderson until he's 40 and Phillips. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Mainoo is a proper player and we're severely lacking in CM. It's a no brainer to call him up or do we just play Henderson until he's 40 and Phillips. Agree It's too easy to just look at Mainoo and say he's not good enough, you've got to look at everyone else too, we moan about Henderson we moan about phillips, maybe Southgate finally moves on and we moan about that too He can't be worse than phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) I've no problem with Mainoo getting a call up but I struggle to believe it happens if he wasn't playing for a 'big club' and there in lies the problem with Southgate's selections. He places far too much value on who someone plays for rather than how well or regularly they are playing. Players that play for the 'others' have to do a lot more to even get an opportunity. Edited March 20 by villan95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Issue is Mainoo maybe a great talent but have seen nothing personally to throw him into a a World Cup. As a 4th choice for experience its fine but not like this He is better than Phillips and maybe Henderson but neither should be in the squad either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Mainoo situation is different from the other players he's being compared to, such as some of ours that have had to wait for England call-ups, he's in the squad partly based on him playing well this season and England not having many other choices, but also he's in there because of how highly rated he is as a youngster with an extremely high ceiling, so it's not just about what he can do now, but what he can learn and the experience he can gain with the future in mind. People on this very forum have said, they would rather have Kellyman in our squad over such and such much more experienced player, it's not much different concept to Mainoo being in England squad ahead of someone like Phillips Also probably worth pointing out that there had been a lot of talk of Ghana trying to call up Mainoo to their first team, so there's probably an element of protecting against that, England and Southgate have recently been criticized for losing players to other nations because of refusing to cap them whilst they were still academy players, Musiala being a recent example, he was playing for England youth teams, had lived most of his life in England, had spent most of his career in the academy system in England, probably would have chose England if they'd have offered to cap him at a young age, but had principles against that, and it has cost them a very good player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 If Mainoo actually comes out of the centre circle he'll be an upgrade on Henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, turnbull said: If Mainoo actually comes out of the centre circle he'll be an upgrade on Henderson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 20/03/2024 at 09:02, Dodgyknees said: Insane that Mainoo gets a call up after 15 caos, yet Ramsey was on fire last season and didn’t get a look in. Grealish had to prove himself. Konsa consistently overlooked. Mental. On 20/03/2024 at 10:37, HongKongVillan said: Not for Mainoo when he played his last 15 games or so for Manure. 23 hours ago, villa4europe said: Mainoo potentially replaces henderson or phillips in that line up its a bit damned if he does damned if he doesn't, in isolation only looking at mainoo you can happily argue he shouldn't be there but when you look at the alternatives you can argue that they are worse, you cant compare him to ramsey its 2 different roles and opportunities, the opportunity is 100% there for an alternative DMC to play 16 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Mainoo is a proper player and we're severely lacking in CM. It's a no brainer to call him up or do we just play Henderson until he's 40 and Phillips. 16 hours ago, villa4europe said: Agree It's too easy to just look at Mainoo and say he's not good enough, you've got to look at everyone else too, we moan about Henderson we moan about phillips, maybe Southgate finally moves on and we moan about that too He can't be worse than phillips 15 hours ago, villan95 said: I've no problem with Mainoo getting a call up but I struggle to believe it happens if he wasn't playing for a 'big club' and there in lies the problem with Southgate's selections. He places far too much value on who someone plays for rather than how well or regularly they are playing. Players that play for the 'others' have to do a lot more to even get an opportunity. 15 hours ago, Zatman said: Issue is Mainoo maybe a great talent but have seen nothing personally to throw him into a a World Cup. As a 4th choice for experience its fine but not like this He is better than Phillips and maybe Henderson but neither should be in the squad either 14 hours ago, useless said: Mainoo situation is different from the other players he's being compared to, such as some of ours that have had to wait for England call-ups, he's in the squad partly based on him playing well this season and England not having many other choices, but also he's in there because of how highly rated he is as a youngster with an extremely high ceiling, so it's not just about what he can do now, but what he can learn and the experience he can gain with the future in mind. People on this very forum have said, they would rather have Kellyman in our squad over such and such much more experienced player, it's not much different concept to Mainoo being in England squad ahead of someone like Phillips Also probably worth pointing out that there had been a lot of talk of Ghana trying to call up Mainoo to their first team, so there's probably an element of protecting against that, England and Southgate have recently been criticized for losing players to other nations because of refusing to cap them whilst they were still academy players, Musiala being a recent example, he was playing for England youth teams, had lived most of his life in England, had spent most of his career in the academy system in England, probably would have chose England if they'd have offered to cap him at a young age, but had principles against that, and it has cost them a very good player 4 hours ago, turnbull said: If Mainoo actually comes out of the centre circle he'll be an upgrade on Henderson. Anyone know if Mainoooooooooooooo is in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I'm gobsmacked Chukwuemeka hasn’t been called up now he's played 20 minutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Something tells me saka will be ok for the man city game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Something tells me saka will be ok for the man city game Palmer should get a start now which is the whole point of these friendlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, VillaChris said: Palmer should get a start now which is the whole point of these friendlies. Your joking. Southgate needs to have a look at Kane, see if he still has it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Mainoo clearly has some talent but not ready for England. I’m surprised Angel Gomes hasn’t had a look in. Played England u21s, and apparently playing well out in France, is a holding midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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