fightoffyour Posted December 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) The "Round of 32" at which point there are only 24 teams left in the competition and just 16 of those actually play matches. Edited December 8, 2023 by fightoffyour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 11 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: . . . so, all of them then? No not quite , as Betis, Rangers and Sparta Prague are all in the same group and the same applies to Ajax and AEK Athens and only one in both groups can drop down to the Conference. Hopefully we can top the group as it would be very useful to have 3 months to concentrate on domestic matters. The draw for the Round of 32 is on Monday week. If we top the group, the draw for the Round 16 would be until the Round of 32 is completed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Just away games? Weak and lame from them. Not suprising at all. A minor punishment that will teach them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 That’s a really soft punishment, I thought they would get a ban. Good that they have to pay for damaged caused at VP but they should have also been billed for the policing costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django_Zooms Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 "UEFA has fined Legia Warsaw €100k and banned the club from selling tickets to its away supporters for their next five European games. They have also been ordered to contact Villa to pay for the damage caused by their fans in Birmingham." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 13, 2023 Administrator Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Django_Zooms said: "UEFA has fined Legia Warsaw €100k and banned the club from selling tickets to its away supporters for their next five European games. They have also been ordered to contact Villa to pay for the damage caused by their fans in Birmingham." They didn't sell the tickets for the game against us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adman Posted December 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Django_Zooms said: "UEFA has fined Legia Warsaw €100k and banned the club from selling tickets to its away supporters for their next five European games. They have also been ordered to contact Villa to pay for the damage caused by their fans in Birmingham." I think they ruined the north stand completely, it will need to be rebuild from scratch 1 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted December 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2023 11 hours ago, limpid said: They didn't sell the tickets for the game against us. That’s a good point… I suppose UEFA can’t really prevent idiots from travelling abroad as it’s outside of their powers, so this is all they can do. It does seem to penalise the ones who did buy tickets, rather than the yobbos that didn’t and caused trouble though (assuming there were at least some genuine Legia fans with tickets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: That’s a good point… I suppose UEFA can’t really prevent idiots from travelling abroad as it’s outside of their powers, so this is all they can do. It does seem to penalise the ones who did buy tickets, rather than the yobbos that didn’t and caused trouble though (assuming there were at least some genuine Legia fans with tickets) It's definitely not all UEFA can do! UEFA must be naive to believe that some Legia fans wont try to access home areas at their next 5 UEFA competitive away games and the potential for more violence is accordingly significant. Legia fans would not try to attend matches they weren't involved in, so an outright ban for the next time they qualify for European competition would have been the safest appropriate punishment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted December 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, brommy said: It's definitely not all UEFA can do! UEFA must be naive to believe that some Legia fans wont try to access home areas at their next 5 UEFA competitive away games and the potential for more violence is accordingly significant. Legia fans would not try to attend matches they weren't involved in, so an outright ban for the next time they qualify for European competition would have been the safest appropriate punishment. They can punish the team further, absolutely, but they can’t stop the movement of people… unless the idiots got deported for football violence then that helpfully might stop them travelling in the future but that would be down to the European police/customs/immigration to sort out with rather than UEFA themselves I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: They can punish the team further, absolutely, but they can’t stop the movement of people… unless the idiots got deported for football violence then that helpfully might stop them travelling in the future but that would be down to the European police/customs/immigration to sort out with rather than UEFA themselves I believe They wouldn't need to 'stop the movement of people' for the next European campaign if Legia were banned from it. It's possible to argue that Legia's violence hasn't risen to the level where that is a fair punishment (I'm not sure I agree, but it's an argument someone could make) but if that argument is made then it's fair to point out in response that this punishment wouldn't have changed much if anything about the scenes at VP and that consequently, there's every reason to expect a repeat next time Legia are in Europe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted December 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: They wouldn't need to 'stop the movement of people' for the next European campaign if Legia were banned from it. It's possible to argue that Legia's violence hasn't risen to the level where that is a fair punishment (I'm not sure I agree, but it's an argument someone could make) but if that argument is made then it's fair to point out in response that this punishment wouldn't have changed much if anything about the scenes at VP and that consequently, there's every reason to expect a repeat next time Legia are in Europe. Yeah that’s true. I suppose this was a very serious situation so that sort of ban would likely be warranted… even if it penalises the ‘good’ supporters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Django_Zooms said: "UEFA has fined Legia Warsaw €100k and banned the club from selling tickets to its away supporters for their next five European games. They have also been ordered to contact Villa to pay for the damage caused by their fans in Birmingham." UEFA pillow-fist rocket polishers. Way too lenient on the psycho plumbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Hopefully we never have to play them again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, alreadyexists said: They can punish the team further, absolutely, but they can’t stop the movement of people… unless the idiots got deported for football violence then that helpfully might stop them travelling in the future but that would be down to the European police/customs/immigration to sort out with rather than UEFA themselves I believe UEFA aren't going to change their decision but what they should do is openly publicise a warning that if Legia fans are found to contravene the ban (celebrating or kicking off in home sections of away matches might reveal this), then Legia will be expelled from the remaining competition and for the next season they qualify. I'll be surprised if Legia's away fan ban doesn't lead to an issue, no matter how minor, caused by their fans in home sections but I have little faith in UEFA acting appropriately on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 14, 2023 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2023 I'm surprised they didn't add a suspended ban - something that says one more and you're out for a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 if AZ Alkmaar best Legia tonight, AZ go through in second spot dont they? (as they would have beaten Legia both home and away, and when on same points AZ would qualify due to head to heads?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: if AZ Alkmaar best Legia tonight, AZ go through in second spot dont they? (as they would have beaten Legia both home and away, and when on same points AZ would qualify due to head to heads?) Yes it's basically winner takes all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Come on AZ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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