Harvey Barnes

[Sulberto21]

4 minutes ago, Fox1884 said:

He would smash it for you lot, especially being under a manager who is going to get him confident again

He isn’t really one to take a defender on but he is quite different in that his interplay and ability to find pockets of space to receive a 1-2 is brilliant, just take a look at his goal vs West Ham

Him linking up with someone like Buendia who could play those passes back into him in tight spaces would be brilliant

We have been absolute crap all season, he has been sapped of all his confidence by Brodgers, yet he still managed to bag 13 league goals this season

Would easily get you around 20+ goal contributions next season with European football as well

Sounds like you guys are favourites as he doesn’t want to move too far away from the Midlands

Please give us preference but a loan or 2 though haha

What’s his pressing and defensive work like?  Could he improve on that area? 

[villarule123]

Can't see this one happening if we're getting Asensio. 

[KentVillan]

7 minutes ago, villarule123 said:

Can't see this one happening if we're getting Asensio. 

We need to sign several quality attacking players this summer IMO. Am sure Emery would use all the options well

[macandally]

10 hours ago, Fox1884 said:

He would smash it for you lot, especially being under a manager who is going to get him confident again

He isn’t really one to take a defender on but he is quite different in that his interplay and ability to find pockets of space to receive a 1-2 is brilliant, just take a look at his goal vs West Ham

Him linking up with someone like Buendia who could play those passes back into him in tight spaces would be brilliant

We have been absolute crap all season, he has been sapped of all his confidence by Brodgers, yet he still managed to bag 13 league goals this season

Would easily get you around 20+ goal contributions next season with European football as well

Sounds like you guys are favourites as he doesn’t want to move too far away from the Midlands

Please give us preference for a loan or 2 back though haha

You need Aaron Ramsey and Archer, do well for you as they did bringing a different dimension to Borough!

[Kiwivillan]

10 hours ago, Sulberto21 said:

What’s his pressing and defensive work like?  Could he improve on that area? 

Horrific. 

 

Here's Buendia as comparison

[wishywashy]

I liked Barnes before the link, but the more I think about it the more I really, really think it'd work here. I reckon he'd be the player we thought Bailey would've been for us.

Also note this graphic: one of the most effective wide players in Europe over the past 4 seasons.

Edited June 3, 2023 by wishywashy

[Vive_La_Villa]

Barnes is a very good player. If we don’t snap him up another top half Premier League team will.

[floody555]

I'd love us to go for Barnes, but I think Newcastle may go in for him as well. If they do then UCL football wins I'm afraid

[VillaChris]

On 30/05/2023 at 11:56, Fox1884 said:

He would smash it for you lot, especially being under a manager who is going to get him confident again

He isn’t really one to take a defender on but he is quite different in that his interplay and ability to find pockets of space to receive a 1-2 is brilliant, just take a look at his goal vs West Ham

Him linking up with someone like Buendia who could play those passes back into him in tight spaces would be brilliant

We have been absolute crap all season, he has been sapped of all his confidence by Brodgers, yet he still managed to bag 13 league goals this season

Would easily get you around 20+ goal contributions next season with European football as well

Sounds like you guys are favourites as he doesn’t want to move too far away from the Midlands

Please give us preference for a loan or 2 back though haha

Not just saying it because he scored that Worldie at your place but think Traore would be a decent pick up. If he can stay fit he'd hit double figures in championship so actually wonder if him or even Davis might be included in the deal if there's disagreement over say 5m in the price valuations.

[VillaChris]

3 minutes ago, floody555 said:

I'd love us to go for Barnes, but I think Newcastle may go in for him as well. If they do then UCL football wins I'm afraid

They've already got Almiron, Gordon and Saint-Maximn as wide options. Also finished the season with Wilson at CF and Isak playing wide left so not sure they need Barnes as much as Maddison.

[floody555]

12 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

They've already got Almiron, Gordon and Saint-Maximn as wide options. Also finished the season with Wilson at CF and Isak playing wide left so not sure they need Barnes as much as Maddison.

Yeah that went through my head as well but they're going to need depth in quality to be playing more game next season, Man city can literally name 2 different sides with the depth they have.

We obviously need more depth too, as we've been naming 2 GK's for a while. Just feel the UCL thing has more pull with players like Barnes, Maddison etc..

[ccfcman]

30 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

They've already got Almiron, Gordon and Saint-Maximn as wide options. Also finished the season with Wilson at CF and Isak playing wide left so not sure they need Barnes as much as Maddison.

I think you'll find they're gonna clear house. The nicely nicely approach of not blowing mega millions is over once you secure ECL. Having capitalized on a weak Liverpool, Chelseas, (lol) Spurts etc., and once you get a taste of the sweet elixir, they're gonna want that ECL repeatedly.

It's not sustainable with the overachieving/kinda average squad they have. Save for a few exceptions, they're really a Europa League side.

[skarroki]

On 04/06/2023 at 19:05, floody555 said:

Yeah that went through my head as well but they're going to need depth in quality to be playing more game next season, Man city can literally name 2 different sides with the depth they have.

We obviously need more depth too, as we've been naming 2 GK's for a while. Just feel the UCL thing has more pull with players like Barnes, Maddison etc..

Sorry to pick on you for this and I'm sure you and others will disagree, but this thing about City having a squad of players good enough to name 2 different sides just feels like a myth to me that doesn't stand up when looking at their declared squad. It is tiny and mainly gets through seasons due to good rotation by Pep. They regularly name 2 GKs as well or just 7/8 subs. They always seem to have one or two injured which essentially means the team picks itself for bigger matches. 

If you pick:

Ederson

Walker Dias Laporte

Stones Rodri

Mahrez De Bruyne Grealish

Haaland

Then your 2nd team is:

Ortega

Lewis Akanji Ake Gomes

Phillips Gundogan Silva

Palmer Alvarez Foden

They have some brilliant players in there but the whole back line is injury prone or untested, Palmer not shown too much yet and Phillips seems to be struggling with fitness and Gundogan out of contract, Ortega good back up option but a big step down from Ederson. 

 

To keep it on Villa, I feel the step down in quality would be similar for us but obviously on a different level to Man City, when naming a starting side and then a 2nd team. For me the obvious holes in the side currently is a right back, a solid backup keeper unless we trust Sinisalo and up front there's questions over who can support alongside Watkins and what Duran and Archer will be up to next season, sold loaned or given a chance. Midfield looks very good to me especially with Tielemans potentially coming in. 

I would expect one or both of Bailey / Traore to be leaving if we can get Barnes in which would be no bad thing in the long run. I like both of them and would prefer they are kept on and Emery finds a way to make them flourish, but I also think Barnes seems an obvious upgrade in that position right now, so if it's doable, get it done. We can't wait around forever for the Bundesliga Bailey to finally hit form in the Prem. 

[Delphinho123]

@Kiwivillan’s face when we sign both Barnes and Tielemans

[Kiwivillan]

3 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

@Kiwivillan’s face when we sign both Barnes and Tielemans

Your rants about them next season if we do

[picicata]

13 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

@Kiwivillan’s face when we sign both Barnes and Tielemans

At least you'll have someone else, other than Buendia, to take your frustrations out on

[Delphinho123]

8 minutes ago, picicata said:

At least you'll have someone else, other than Buendia, to take your frustrations out on

Even if they both play poorly, I’ll blame Buendia.

[Ponky]

Actually think Spurs could snap him up as he suits the Postecoglou game plan perfectly, assuming Ange ends up there.

[floody555]

6 hours ago, skarroki said:

Sorry to pick on you for this and I'm sure you and others will disagree, but this thing about City having a squad of players good enough to name 2 different sides just feels like a myth to me that doesn't stand up when looking at their declared squad. It is tiny and mainly gets through seasons due to good rotation by Pep. They regularly name 2 GKs as well or just 7/8 subs. They always seem to have one or two injured which essentially means the team picks itself for bigger matches. 

If you pick:

Ederson

Walker Dias Laporte

Stones Rodri

Mahrez De Bruyne Grealish

Haaland

Then your 2nd team is:

Ortega

Lewis Akanji Ake Gomes

Phillips Gundogan Silva

Palmer Alvarez Foden

They have some brilliant players in there but the whole back line is injury prone or untested, Palmer not shown too much yet and Phillips seems to be struggling with fitness and Gundogan out of contract, Ortega good back up option but a big step down from Ederson. 

 

To keep it on Villa, I feel the step down in quality would be similar for us but obviously on a different level to Man City, when naming a starting side and then a 2nd team. For me the obvious holes in the side currently is a right back, a solid backup keeper unless we trust Sinisalo and up front there's questions over who can support alongside Watkins and what Duran and Archer will be up to next season, sold loaned or given a chance. Midfield looks very good to me especially with Tielemans potentially coming in. 

I would expect one or both of Bailey / Traore to be leaving if we can get Barnes in which would be no bad thing in the long run. I like both of them and would prefer they are kept on and Emery finds a way to make them flourish, but I also think Barnes seems an obvious upgrade in that position right now, so if it's doable, get it done. We can't wait around forever for the Bundesliga Bailey to finally hit form in the Prem. 

No you're good my bro and I get your point, well put together I might add

TBF that 2nd team albeit with a couple of youngsters thrown in, I think is still pretty strong given Pep ball is the way they're taught.

I'd like to think Villa can fish from the same pool as Newcastle this transfer window with Emery selling our project, but UCL will inevitably have a better pull will certain players. Look it's all speculation at the moment with who we're in for, so I'm taking the stance of laying back and enjoying the ride  

UTV

[GrumpyFox]

Hello all, me again (I’ll try not to commit a major social faux pas this time).

 

So, Harvey Barnes….. firstly I’ll mention that I am a huge fan of his. Depending on which Leicester fans you speak to about Barnes you’ll get a couple of different takes on him, but you’ve got to consider his player profile before debating….

 

His key attributes are;

Pace, power, strong running, direct running and an eye for goal.

Barnes is your prime example of an inverted winger, his only position really is on the left, but he could play through the middle if needed I feel. Barnes in my opinion has been our best player this season, and that’s in a dreadful team. He is incredible at receiving the ball in stride and not having to alter his sprint speed, which makes him an absolute nightmare to defend against. He would often take the ball whilst running at full speed, knock it beyond the full back and get into a dangerous area, and because he runs at such pace you can’t touch him otherwise he hits the deck. 
 

He can go either on the outside or come inside, and he is a goal threat, as he has a great ability to open his body up (Henry like) and pass it into the back of the net. 

On his day, he can be unplayable. 
 

In terms of weaknesses don’t expect much in the air from him, and despite all of his attributes he needs a team that play with pace and momentum to consistently bring the best out of him. Due to Rodgers ball we saw it sporadically, and Barnes was reliant on his own explosive pace to get him up the pitch and into goal scoring areas because we were just far too slow and ponderous in possession,  and this did unfortunately diminish his performances with us. Defensively he will come back, however he usually hangs on the shoulder is the deepest player so if you win the ball back he can get going and drive you up the pitch. 
 

My only criticism of Barnes, is that occasionally he will drift inside and leave no option for the full back to pass into, despite there being a massive hole for him to exploit, but I think this is more down to the teams build up play being too slow, than it is Barnes not knowing what he is doing. 
 

So in short if you play with a high press, quick passing phases and like to utilise the counter, he will flourish. 
 

The only sticking point will be the price. It appears our club is run by idiots, so they’re likely to pretend we’re not in the championship and try and drive a hard bargain and not budge from £40m and try to push for more. 
 

It’s worth noting that Barnes has just found out he is a father so the chances are he will want to stay local, so if you are interested and move fairly quickly I can see a deal being struck, as we need to get business done quickly. 
 

He would be a real gem for you, he is still a bit unpolished but under a top class manager he will lift your team to another level. I generally hate my club at the moment apart from Vardy, Barnes and Albrighton….

Edited June 6, 2023 by GrumpyFox