est1874 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jas10 said: At this rate, I’d be tempted to drop both Watkins and Ings and force them to fight for a a single spot in the side or even on the bench. No form whatsoever. Maybe that would force or bring out the best in at least one of them… maybe a wake up call of some kind… I don’t know, not necessarily blaming them but it just hasn’t worked out. And can we please STOP playing them together?! Sick of it. It only weakens us in midfield and makes us weaker in possession, almost like playing with 9/10 men at times and decreases the creativity of the side. They don’t even bloody score regularly! It’s just stupid for Buendia not to be in this side. We shouldn’t be playing both JJ and McGinn in the same side either - it doesn’t help us in possession. Just look at the difference in that second half. I want a new CM or even a DM who is capable as a CM but Luiz is more of a help to Kamara than the pair of them. The strikers have both been a problem for us since we signed Ings imo and it just hasn’t worked out. So frustrating. Sad to see the decline of Watkins when he was brilliant in his first season too. Ings is slow, sluggish and past his peak. Despite the ability, he’s just been a waste of money so far imo… Just imagine Buendia, Coutinho and Bailey supporting a single striker. Tempted to try Bailey at CF too or just give Archer a few games… To sign a new striker, we need to sell. But I also don’t see much attainable, higher quality out there. That’s a job for the scouts… Some bold suggestions too. It is sad to see Watkins struggle for goals. Honestly I think, through overcoaching or some notion he has, he's become one of those strikers who has prioritized his upper body strength and ability to bring others into the game, over his own goalscoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Well yes that made a difference but Man U had clearly stepped off and weren't pressing anywhere near as much. If you couldn’t see that then I can’t help you. you are right they did stop pressing......and pressing usually negates anything we try to do. However, it was their choice to stop or they run our of energy, because its hard to do for 90+ minutes. We was much better second half, with some encouraging individual perfromances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, est1874 said: Some bold suggestions too. It is sad to see Watkins struggle for goals. Honestly I think, through overcoaching or some notion he has, he's become one of those strikers who has prioritized his upper body strength and ability to bring others into the game, over his own goalscoring. He does look a worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Villarcana said: If we actually play a normal system and Gerrard accepts that the narrow overlap doesn't work that well for the type or quality of player we have then we look decent. When the system was one up top and we looked for width intensity and a couple wingers on the pitch we looked totally different. I hope Gerrard doesn't have an overly stubborn attitude and will adapt tactics accordingly. the two up top 4132 thing, I just don't like it 2 up top is fine.....if the 2 up top are effective, and they clearly are not.....They simply don't trouble defenders, never mind not score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BOF said: Something like this maybe. And tbqh with that amount of creativity around him, the striker is interchangeable. Maybe even give mini-Tevez a shot. Problem is who gets left out. McGinn & Ramsey on the bench seems unlikely. not sure how Chambers can be left out, playing like he is.....and KKH is making a serious claim for that right back slot....its ok us talking about cover, he is making a real claim. still think we need a presence and some domination in midfield....getting there, slowly though.....well second half, was more like it. Edited July 23, 2022 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted July 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2022 A good angle of LB’s goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, est1874 said: Some bold suggestions too. It is sad to see Watkins struggle for goals. Honestly I think, through overcoaching or some notion he has, he's become one of those strikers who has prioritized his upper body strength and ability to bring others into the game, over his own goalscoring. 24 minutes ago, TRO said: He does look a worry. Ings is as much of a worry imo… we overpaid for a player who is clearly past his best. Not the player, based on reputation, that we thought we’d signed. Slow, sluggish and, worst of all, not clinical - so far anyway. We really need someone mobile upfront that can link with the likes of PC & EB and run onto through balls and finish with aplomb. Seems like bold changes are required tbh because things aren’t improving, neither of our strikers is reliable or makes enough of an impact. Don’t link up well with our forwards and seem to lack skill and understanding. We need a “shake up” it seems… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, MCU said: Just seen United's team, didn't realise how shit it still is. Van De Beek and Martial back playing who they were crucifying last season (along with the rest of the team tbh). I thought Man U's goals were embarrassingly gifted.....a good defensive side wouldn't concede them. In that first half it looked like we thought we had more time, that we actually had. Edited July 23, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, tinker said: Cracking corner tbh, so hard to defend. nice to see a member of the team get a head to one.....it seems Chambers, does give the confidence, he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDVILLAIN Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: What a paper hat, you are. Yeah sorry about that..must have been something to do with listening to those 2 Representative for Wellingborough's on mutv for 90 mins..they boiled my piss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, est1874 said: Some bold suggestions too. It is sad to see Watkins struggle for goals. Honestly I think, through overcoaching or some notion he has, he's become one of those strikers who has prioritized his upper body strength and ability to bring others into the game, over his own goalscoring. Well I hope he doesn't follow the same career trajectory as Gabby in getting fat and going on the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, WHY said: Awful first half but proud of the lads 2nd half. They put a shift in, special mention for Bailey, he looks like the player he was before the injuries. The lad Kesler will have a good career, he’s a proper modern day player. I think Cash has a challenge on his hands....because KKH looks the business at both ends of the pitch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted July 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Jas10 said: “…but unfortunately, that would mean dropping Phil, JJ and Ginny, so they’ll have be satisfied with rescuing us in the 2nd half.” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reivax_Villa said: I enjoyed the game. I feel that all of our players needed this game as a reminder of the quality of the season ahead. I do not think we were awful, but was a match that has given SG plenty to think about. I enjoyed the first half like having my finger nails removed, with pliers. We made United look like world beaters.....and the second half showed clearly, they are not. Edited July 23, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Reivax_Villa said: I enjoyed the game. I feel that all of our players needed this game as a reminder of the quality of the season ahead. I do not think we were awful, but was a match that has given SG plenty to think about. He certainly does have plenty to think about - in a way it would be surprising if he didn’t given the history of how this squad came together. I am interested and maybe a little excited to see what he makes of all this in the Rennes match. (But I think I am in a minority on this site where many have already made up their minds.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2022 You have to laugh, listening to the news on talkSPORT when they did the sport section the bloke stated how United had a let a 2 goal lead slip when Callum Chambers equalised in the last minute after United taking the lead in the first half with goals from Jadon Sancho and an own goal from Matty cash. No mention at all of the goal of the game or scorer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Terrible pitch but we have an exciting squad. I was pleased with Gerrards changes. I hope he will start to follow through with his implications about rotation. Thats why we have a squad. Sanson good. Bailey excellent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, TRO said: I think Cash has a challenge on his hands....because KKH looks the business at both ends of the pitch. Absolutely and that’s the way it should be, it’s a long season and he will get minutes. I’m more than happy with Cash atm though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, TRO said: I thought Man U's goals were embarrassingly gifted.....a good defensive side wouldn't concede them. In that first half it looked like we thought we had more time, that we actually had. From the replays, the first goal was horrible ball watching from Digne...he was with his mark a few seconds before and completely lost him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, TRO said: not sure how Chambers can be left out, playing like he is.....and KKH is making a serious claim for that right back slot....its ok us talking about cover, he is making a real claim. still think we need a presence and some domination in midfield....getting there, slowly though.....well second half, was more like it. I agree, it’s difficult to choose between Chambers and Konsa, Chmabers hasn’t put a foot wrong and Konsa has really surprised me (other than the nearly own goal). I think KKH is ready, I can see him having as much game time as Cash, he is that impressive, it seems that’s the end for Guilbert. I liked McGinns effort today, but every action looks a yellow card, it’s a worry. I feel we still need that dominant #8 that we currently don’t have. Very impressed by the application of our subs, they are all fighting for a place and that’s great. If Gerrard is honest he has some difficult decisions, competition is no use if you don’t reward performances, on todays showing we should see a shake up on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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