Delphinho123 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Don't know how he gets a free pass from you when you've written off Sanson and Traore, the latter with 2nd most goals per minute and 2nd most assists per minute in the squad last season. Sanson will prove you wrong. Bookmark this. Traore is rubbish most of the time and likely to be sold in the Summer. I really hope Sanson does prove me wrong. I don’t think he’s a bad player, I just don’t think he’s going to dislodge Ramsey and McGinn. I’m not giving Bailey a free pass, I just don’t think he’s had enough time yet. You could argue the same for Sanson I suppose but there is a reason two managers haven’t favoured him and that could be because he isn’t quite up to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: You could argue the same for Sanson I suppose but there is a reason two managers haven’t favoured him and that could be because he isn’t quite up to it. Multiple injury setbacks. Not due to not being favoured 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Multiple injury setbacks. Not due to not being favoured He wouldn’t start in our best XI when everybody fit. He’s been fit in recent weeks but not favoured most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I don't see Konsa going anywhere. Granted, he's had an up and down season so far but I think he's the best CB in our squad and is generally solid. I don't know what you would class as an upgrade on Konsa considering his age and growth the last 2 years. He is in my opinion the present and future of our back line and England's. Class player. TBH, I think our fans overrate Konsa and underrate Mings. If he was as good of a defender as some think, Southgate would have at least called him up into a preliminary squad at some point to get a better look at him. He is a good rotation option for a team finishing in the European places, but not a nailed on starter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, KMitch said: I like Konsa and Cash, but they're now the weaknesses in our team. Konsa's stats are average for a Premier League defender and Cash doesn't contribute enough going forward. A big upgrade at central defender will help more than spending a lot on a DM, IMO. If Athletico is truly interested in signing Cash, we need to capitalize on it and upgrade at fullback. KKH really seems to have something about him, so if he continues to impress on loan, he needs to be around the first team challenging for game time next season. Konsa is better than Mings, younger with a higher ceiling. It is Mings I would replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, KMitch said: TBH, I think our fans overrate Konsa and underrate Mings. If he was as good of a defender as some think, Southgate would have at least called him up into a preliminary squad at some point to get a better look at him. He is a good rotation option for a team finishing in the European places, but not a nailed on starter. Southgate is a clown. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: Traore is rubbish most of the time and likely to be sold in the Summer. I really hope Sanson does prove me wrong. I don’t think he’s a bad player, I just don’t think he’s going to dislodge Ramsey and McGinn. I’m not giving Bailey a free pass, I just don’t think he’s had enough time yet. You could argue the same for Sanson I suppose but there is a reason two managers haven’t favoured him and that could be because he isn’t quite up to it. I wouldn't sell him at all he is an excellent option as a squad player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 50 minutes ago, paul514 said: Konsa is better than Mings, younger with a higher ceiling. It is Mings I would replace. Definitely a higher ceiling but he’s not better than Mings yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: Definitely a higher ceiling but he’s not better than Mings yet. He is. By a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 hours ago, thunderball said: I know we were closely linked to Jonathan David in the Summer, and Arsenal were this window - he is clearly catching the eye, but whether he is better than Watkins or Ings is questionable? Well, exactly. That's why I said I don't know if my suggestions are in fact better than Watkins and Ings. I'm not as doom-and-gloom about them as other fans (and Watkins was one of my favourite players last year). But I suggested David anyway because he was an example of a non-CL striker we could possibly convince to join us, as he does play for a team who are struggling to qualify for Europe. As you mention, we have already been linked to him last summer, and I just think his speed, off-the-ball movement, ability to pass and combine with teammates, and obvious goalscoring ability gives him the potential to be better than Watkins and Ings within our system of play, which relies a lot on fluidity and quick interplay between midfield and forward lines to be successful. Not a dead cert by any means - who is in this game? - but I hope we are considering him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: He is. By a distance. Konsa needs to do more with the ball before he can surpass Mings, at the moment he is way too safe on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: Definitely a higher ceiling but he’s not better than Mings yet. He is IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 If we are replacing either of Mings or Konsa then we're going to be spending serious money as they are both very good defenders and getting better than them won't come cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, Zatman said: Konsa needs to do more with the ball before he can surpass Mings, at the moment he is way too safe on the ball. Defending Konsa is far more reliable though, and has a higher current level despite Mings' edge in the air. It's over exaggerated with Mings, but gaffs do happen around him. On the ball, you can see the errors coming as he hesitates. Technically he's not particularly sound I wouldn't say, looks wobbly quite often even when passing triangles with Martinez and Doug or a full back come off successfully. He drops back and plays people on side often when I don't think that can possibly be the plan. Just a few issues there I don't see in Konsa as often. Under Smith, it was a clear directive to me for Mings to be the one playing it forward IMO. That's stunted Konsa's stats somewhat, if you're trying to compare passing numbers. Perhaps is wasn't, not sure why it would be, because I'm pretty sure Konsa could clip the ball in the general direction of Watkins if he wanted to. You can definitely see more of both carrying the ball out under Gerrard so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, picicata said: If we are replacing either of Mings or Konsa then we're going to be spending serious money as they are both very good defenders and getting better than them won't come cheap. Agree. I think Konsa would be the subject of many many tasty bids if he ended up on the bench. I don't think Mings would get many offers that would make sense for us to accept, but he's the one I can see missing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Defending Konsa is far more reliable though, and has a higher current level despite Mings' edge in the air. It's over exaggerated with Mings, but gaffs do happen around him. On the ball, you can see the errors coming as he hesitates. Technically he's not particularly sound I wouldn't say, looks wobbly quite often even when passing triangles with Martinez and Doug or a full back come off successfully. He drops back and plays people on side often when I don't think that can possibly be the plan. Just a few issues there I don't see in Konsa as often. Under Smith, it was a clear directive to me for Mings to be the one playing it forward IMO. That's stunted Konsa's stats somewhat, if you're trying to compare passing numbers. Perhaps is wasn't, not sure why it would be, because I'm pretty sure Konsa could clip the ball in the general direction of Watkins if he wanted to. You can definitely see more of both carrying the ball out under Gerrard so far. I do think Konsa can be as good on the ball and showed some good passing when he played at right back. I am not sure why he has become more hesitant but it is probably costing him England caps and it will certainly cost him being wanted by a top 6 team if we dont get there ourselves Hause for example came on vs United and was trying to play out from the back so I am not sure its a managerial decision and I dont see Konsa playing them passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: He is. By a distance. Just out of curiosity. What could possibly make you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, paul514 said: He is IMO Yes but I must defeat your opinion with my opinion! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, KMitch said: TBH, I think our fans overrate Konsa and underrate Mings. If he was as good of a defender as some think, Southgate would have at least called him up into a preliminary squad at some point to get a better look at him. He is a good rotation option for a team finishing in the European places, but not a nailed on starter. A thousand times this. They both have obvious flaws however (and I love them both). But I strongly suspect our center backs are the next positions that will either need to improve to fit into the new system or get replaced by Gerrard. Tyrone's occasional gaff is not his flaw, that happens to a lot of defenders including Konsa. The biggest flaw he has is his distribution in the new system. The opposition often lets him have the ball to distribute out but will press other players, there is a reason for that. The good news, is distribution is something you can work on and improve. Edited February 4, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: Just out of curiosity. What could possibly make you think that? Take every technical aspect of being a PL centre half. I think Mings is better in the air and nothing else. And Konsa is very good in the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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