sidcow Posted February 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: It would be one of the greatest British footballing achievements if Derby stay up this season. I really hope they do for the fans sake, then get in a decent owner. Fans shouldn't be punished because some millionnaire clearing in the woods over reaches himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Rooney really is doing a good job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, a m ole said: Rooney really is doing a good job. Fantastic job but his head is getting rounder might be mistaken for a football soon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 He's doing a good job, but even if you gave them their deducted 21 points back they would still only be fifteenth, and when you look at their squad it isn't actually that bad, them having a decent academy producing players like Thompson, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Buchanan, Plange (albeit via Arsenal's academy) and Ebosele has helped them a lot. That said you could say that where they would be without their points deduction doesn't really come into it, because a team starting the season with a big points deduction is going to have a completely different mentality to a team without a points deduction, Rooney has had to convince his players that they still have a chance, some teams in Derby's situation would have given up and accepted their fate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 4 points off safety (OK games in hand etc) - that is remarkable. Really hope they survive (both in that league, and in existence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 The infuriating thing about points deduction is that without it they would probably have their new owner in place now and be financially secure, most potential new owners are probably awaiting the outcome of their relegation battle. So what is a dire financial situation which could be remedied becomes fatal. It's just such a dumb way of dealing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Rooney now being questioned by the FA because he sid he wore longer studs in a game to injure somebody................in 2006 when he was 20 You would think the FA have better things to investigate at this time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Rooney now being questioned by the FA because he sid he wore longer studs in a game to injure somebody................in 2006 when he was 20 You would think the FA have better things to investigate at this time Like how **** awful their referees are to a man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: Rooney now being questioned by the FA because he sid he wore longer studs in a game to injure somebody................in 2006 when he was 20 You would think the FA have better things to investigate at this time Exactly, he said the studs were perfectly legal. What a waste of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, Genie said: Exactly, he said the studs were perfectly legal. What a waste of energy. Opportunity for them to collect a fine. They can't pass that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: Opportunity for them to collect a fine. They can't pass that up. Got to pay for their Christmas pissup somehow….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Genie said: Exactly, he said the studs were perfectly legal. What a waste of energy. Even Terry isn't bothered about it anymore! Both players have since retired so really what is the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 13 hours ago, useless said: He's doing a good job, but even if you gave them their deducted 21 points back they would still only be fifteenth, and when you look at their squad it isn't actually that bad, them having a decent academy producing players like Thompson, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Buchanan, Plange (albeit via Arsenal's academy) and Ebosele has helped them a lot. That said you could say that where they would be without their points deduction doesn't really come into it, because a team starting the season with a big points deduction is going to have a completely different mentality to a team without a points deduction, Rooney has had to convince his players that they still have a chance, some teams in Derby's situation would have given up and accepted their fate. I doubt many of those players would be near the squad without the issues they've had. How many other Championship sides are regularly fielding half a team under 20 years old and then most of the eleven otherwise are on the verge of retirement. The only player you could say is in his prime years is Lawrence. If at the start of the season you looked at this team, only Lawrence and maybe Bird and Knight would have got into another starting 11 for me. He's lost several key players such as Stearman yet they are picking up points time and time again. The young players are extremely talented but to be picking up points at this level is a huge achievement, we have seen with our top talents at not too similar ages that they struggle to even impact League One games. I agree having something to fight/motivate against helps but he's still doing a fantastic job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I would hope we are scouting Knight. He will go far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 13 hours ago, useless said: He's doing a good job, but even if you gave them their deducted 21 points back they would still only be fifteenth, and when you look at their squad it isn't actually that bad, them having a decent academy producing players like Thompson, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Buchanan, Plange (albeit via Arsenal's academy) and Ebosele has helped them a lot. That said you could say that where they would be without their points deduction doesn't really come into it, because a team starting the season with a big points deduction is going to have a completely different mentality to a team without a points deduction, Rooney has had to convince his players that they still have a chance, some teams in Derby's situation would have given up and accepted their fate. Their squad is dogshit, they've only had free transfers and academy players coming through. You have to give Rooney credit for getting the youngsters performing, he wasn't presented with ready made players from the academy. Even being in the fight is a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I have given Rooney credit... That said you could say that where they would be without their points deduction doesn't really come into it, because a team starting the season with a big points deduction is going to have a completely different mentality to a team without a points deduction, Rooney has had to convince his players that they still have a chance, some teams in Derby's situation would have given up and accepted their fate. I also give their academy credit... They would be in the squad, they're all highly rated and they're lucky they haven't been forced to sell them. Ebosele It's being widely reported has signed a pre agreement with Udinese. Plange has already signed a pre-contract with Crystal Palace. Buchanan is an England U21 international is rated as one of the best young left-backs in the Championship. Jason Knight was being linked to Leeds, Everton, and Wolves in the January transfer window, and already has nine Ireland caps at just twenty years old. Max Bird also been linked with a move to the Premier League for big money. Sibley was rated as one of the best young midfielders in the championship a year or so back, his form seems to have dropped, but he's still young and if he was to move it would be to a decent Championship team or to a Premier League side. And all of them except for Plange and Ebosele were established in their team before this season began, they would all get in most other championship teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) But Rooney was the manager last season as well, helping establish those players. You make it seem like the academy has nothing to do with Rooney. No need for the font size Edited February 9, 2022 by Mr_Dogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Rooney now being questioned by the FA because he sid he wore longer studs in a game to injure somebody................in 2006 when he was 20 You would think the FA have better things to investigate at this time Like how Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and their other favourites regularly get given the rub of the green; with referee decisions, leeway with financial issues, slaps on the wrist when they tried to take their ball and leave to a competition where they could cherry pick all the best players and there would be no consequences to them having a poor season… Nah… Just concentrate on turning the screw on Derby, Bolton and Bury… They aren’t popular or rich enough to fight back Edited February 9, 2022 by DJ_Villain Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, useless said: He's doing a good job, but even if you gave them their deducted 21 points back they would still only be fifteenth, and when you look at their squad it isn't actually that bad, them having a decent academy producing players like Thompson, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Buchanan, Plange (albeit via Arsenal's academy) and Ebosele has helped them a lot. "Still only be 15th" sounds like they're not performing that well - but look at the difference in terms of points rather than league position. If they had their points back, they'd be 17 points clear of relegation and 6 points off the playoffs. So, yes, "only 15th" but basically in with a shot at the playoffs. The points difference between 6th and 14th is 4 points - it's so, so tight. Rooney has done a remarkable job given the problems that club has suffered. If they stay up, he's Manager Of The Season (depending on where Forest finish, perhaps). Edited February 9, 2022 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 No where have I made it seem like the academy has nothing to do with Rooney, I haven't said anything negative about Rooney at all, I just pointed out that there squad isn't that bad, 'squad' was probably the wrong word, but they can put out a decent first eleven with every one fit, many of whom would get in most other championship sides, certainly midtable ones, a number of them would get Premier League moves. I also pointed out that despite that, Rooney has still done a good job because the points deduction would have meant the squad being in a different place mentally than they would have been without it, as I said most teams would have given up with their points deduction and accepted relegation, Rooney managed to convince them otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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