villa4europe Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yeah, I can see an argument that if we go out and beat Czech 4-0, everyone plays well, the whole country gets excited, that might be beneficial. The worst possible outcome would be a 1-0 win - maybe a penalty - and a tepid, uninspiring performance, which gives us neither the excitement nor the favourable fixture. So that's what will happen. 100% A repeat of the Croatia game followed by a game vs Germany or France and the excuse that they're just really **** good and we're unlucky written all over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 If we’re going go do anything in this tournament we absolutely must have a good performance in this final group game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, Genie said: If we’re going go do anything in this tournament we absolutely must have a good performance in this final group game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphouneso Posted June 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2021 I think he'll rotate in the next game, Jack will play and we'll win because he's irrepressible but not convincingly because it's still a Southgate team, then he'll revert to a back five against Germany with Slabhead in for Mings and Walker at RCB and we'll go out with a whimper having maybe scored from a corner. Media will put the blame on Maguire/Henderson not being fit, Kane being out of form, or we just always lose against the Germans. Gareth will keep his job and we'll line up exactly the same at the World Cup only he'll bring Eric Dier back in for his 'tournament experience' and leave Sancho out because he hasn't played at a big tournament. 4 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Genie said: I think Southgate will walk if we go out with a wimper. I think he's too stubborn to do that. And he'll want the chance at redemption while collecting a salary in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 According to papers if England win group potential path is: one of France/Germany/Portugal. And Portugal may not even make last 16 if they lose to France. QF: Sweden/Spain SF: Wales/Holland/Denmark/Russia. I mean that looks o.k to me. Avoid France at all costs but Germany aside there's not that much to be scared of. Sweden much worse than 2018 when England comfortably swept them aside in quarters, think a Spain type team would really suit England in knock outs e.g not have to have possesion for possesions sake and spring counter attacks and SF is much kinder than finishing 2nd which would be one of Italy/Belgium with all the likely probabilities. See no logical whatsoever to do this idea it would be better to finish 2nd like in world cup that is being floated as you'd likely have France in quarters and then Italy in SFs and no way are England winning both of those, will likely lose both comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted June 20, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: According to papers if England win group potential path is: one of France/Germany/Portugal. And Portugal may not even make last 16 if they lose to France. QF: Sweden/Spain SF: Wales/Holland/Denmark/Russia. I mean that looks o.k to me. Avoid France at all costs but Germany aside there's not that much to be scared of. Sweden much worse than 2018 when England comfortably swept them aside in quarters, think a Spain type team would really suit England in knock outs e.g not have to have possesion for possesions sake and spring counter attacks and SF is much kinder than finishing 2nd which would be one of Italy/Belgium with all the likely probabilities. See no logical whatsoever to do this idea it would be better to finish 2nd like in world cup that is being floated as you'd likely have France in quarters and then Italy in SFs and no way are England winning both of those, will likely lose both comfortably. Problem is, we lose to any of France/Germany/Portugal so talking about routes past that and chances of us getting to finals sort of doesn't matter? I'd fancy a Ukraine, Poland, Denmark, Russia etc etc to be in with a chance in any knockout game. Stay tight, take your one chance and see what happens. We don't even have that in our locker, we're hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rino8 said: Problem is, we lose to any of France/Germany/Portugal so talking about routes past that and chances of us getting to finals sort of doesn't matter? I'd fancy a Ukraine, Poland, Denmark, Russia etc etc to be in with a chance in any knockout game. Stay tight, take your one chance and see what happens. We don't even have that in our locker, we're hopeless. Of course I understand the narrative England are now worst team in international history again...but I mean are Croatia suddenly worse than all those you've listed above in your second sentence? And that was a reasonably comfortable 1 nil win. Croatia obviously aren't the same force as in 2018 but am I missing something....likes of Modric and Perisic harder to nulify thsn Dzuba or Yarmolenko? England have next to no chance of beating Italy, France and probably fully fit Belgium but don't see it being certain defeats v anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted June 20, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Of course I understand the narrative England are now worst team in international history again...but I mean are Croatia suddenly worse than all those you've listed above in your second sentence? And that was a reasonably comfortable 1 nil win. Croatia obviously aren't the same force as in 2018 but am I missing something....likes of Modric and Perisic harder to nulify thsn Dzuba or Yarmolenko? England have next to no chance of beating Italy, France and probably fully fit Belgium but don't see it being certain defeats v anyone else. We've never beaten a top team when it matters. We don't do upsets, we go out with a whimper and a lot of what ifs. We underperform to such a boring level. You watch Ukraine play and think they could pull off an upset here against anybody, even if they lose 9/10 times. Any team that should on paper beat us will, because we're not a team. Any team that we should beat we will. Because we're individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Cizzler said: Declan Rice has completed only 3 progressive passes in 180 minutes (from just 8 attempts). This is in games where we’ve dominated possession at Wembley vs. Croatia and Scotland? That’s atrocious. And Neville has the gall to say Mings is the issue with our distribution… If Rice and Phillips both start on Tuesday Southgate is actually clueless. He has to play Grealish. Gary Neville is a fraud, he was good on Sky when he had 2 days preparation. Took over Valencia and was found out Mings is apparently the reason England play 2 defensive midfielders, Villa went from 2nd worst defence to 4th or 5th best with no real defensive midfielder playing weekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Of course I understand the narrative England are now worst team in international history again...but I mean are Croatia suddenly worse than all those you've listed above in your second sentence? And that was a reasonably comfortable 1 nil win. Croatia obviously aren't the same force as in 2018 but am I missing something....likes of Modric and Perisic harder to nulify thsn Dzuba or Yarmolenko? England have next to no chance of beating Italy, France and probably fully fit Belgium but don't see it being certain defeats v anyone else. They arent the worst but probably worst coached. Sancho, Jack and Bellingham have probably played 45 minutes between them compared to Sterling, Kane, Rice and Foden who did **** all. Good international managers make big calls and Southgate wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StefanAVFC Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 The logic that Sancho isn't playing because he hasn't got tournament experience. Still can't find over it. How exactly will he gain it then gareth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The logic that Sancho isn't playing because he hasn't got tournament experience. Still can't find over it. How exactly will he gain it then gareth? Makes absolutely no sense. The implication that a guy who plays for an elite european club and has done for years, and has played at the absolute top level in the Champions league, isn't ready for a game against Scotland, a team full of championship and League 1 standard players. Yet Bellingham and Foden are? I wish he'd just be honest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Makes absolutely no sense. The implication that a guy who plays for an elite european club and has done for years, and has played at the absolute top level in the Champions league, isn't ready for a game against Scotland, a team full of championship and League 1 standard players. Yet Bellingham and Foden are? I wish he'd just be honest. Part of me is glad that he's moved away from bullshitting over grealish The feeling sorry for Jack, villa, myself etc with him not playing because he wasn't fast enough, or didn't press enough, or played in the championship or whatever else he made up... When I see stupid comments like the sancho one I know that I wasn't exaggerating it with c&b specs on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Makes absolutely no sense. The implication that a guy who plays for an elite european club and has done for years, and has played at the absolute top level in the Champions league, isn't ready for a game against Scotland, a team full of championship and League 1 standard players. Yet Bellingham and Foden are? I wish he'd just be honest. *Literally no-one* in Scotland's squad had 'big tournament experience'! Just a baffling thing to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 The more I think about it the more I am wondering if the England's poor performances are down to simply Southgate losing the dressing room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, stewiek2 said: The more I think about it the more I am wondering if the England's poor performances are down to simply Southgate losing the dressing room. I said before, the players must be baffled. Can you imagine their faces when he said he was gonna play Trippier at LB in the first game and Chilwell didn’t even make the 23? Jack gets MOTM in every England game and can’t get on the pitch. They must all be saying to each other that he’s clueless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono62 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Billy Gilmour has tested positive for Covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 That should be interesting. How many players need to isolate before pinocchio starts Grealish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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