Summer transfer window 2021

[KevinRichardsonsMoustache]

15 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said:

Bissouma would be the exact type of player to benefit us, massive upgrade on Nakamba. Sure, he'd cost £30-40m, but that's how much quality costs.

 

Meanwhile Smith says we're happy as we are and if that really is the case (or we buy someone pointless like Hughes) then we're ending the window poorly after a good start.

 

We haven't actually spent anything this window, £100m in for Grealish and only £95m out. Did we actually plan to buy anyone this summer if Grealish stayed?

 

We give Arse a lot of stick for how they're run but after that poor result on Friday they've now gone out and bought Odegaard who is a brilliant signing. 

Tbf, Arsenal had been chasing Ordegaard for a while: his signing was not a reaction to their woeful showing against Brentford.

Our board isn't going to go out and make signings that haven't been vetted in the usual manner. As such, if we've exhausted the list of possible targets identified at the start of the summer and if no unforeseen opportunities arise between now and the end of the window, then we move on. 

It's a funny market atm: we're flush with cash, in theory, and other clubs are being cautious. I wonder if this means this is an opportunity to blow them out of the water (before gate receipts etc return the landscape to pre-pandemic norms) or if selling clubs are playing hard ball because of the need to raise cash? Perhaps both?

Fwiw, I think clubs will be forced into making loan deals for their deadwood towards the end of the window: as they haven't been able to sell them on permanent deals. I can see us going in for Loftus-Cheek, in our annual game of 'let's loan a Chelsea midfielder who wants to get back into the England squad but probably won't'.

 

 

 

[Delphinho123]

24 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said:

Bissouma would be the exact type of player to benefit us, massive upgrade on Nakamba. Sure, he'd cost £30-40m, but that's how much quality costs.

 

Meanwhile Smith says we're happy as we are and if that really is the case (or we buy someone pointless like Hughes) then we're ending the window poorly after a good start.

 

We haven't actually spent anything this window, £100m in for Grealish and only £95m out. Did we actually plan to buy anyone this summer if Grealish stayed?

 

We give Arse a lot of stick for how they're run but after that poor result on Friday they've now gone out and bought Odegaard who is a brilliant signing. 

Bissouma would likely cost 50-60m and he wouldn't come to us I don't think. He has his sights set on a move to a CL club (If the media are to be believed). 

[Made In Aston]

1 hour ago, sidcow said:

I hope so otherwise we'll be having to move Hause 

It's pronounced Whores, but your joke still works either way

[dont_do_it_doug.]

2 hours ago, El-Reacho said:

I would consider Paul Doyle a very reliable source. He's been the Guardian's midlands report for the past few years but has never come up with the usual ITK gossip that the local hacks come up with. He's more of a features writer who specialises in African football and has done in depth interviews with Nakamba and Samatta over the past couple of years. He doesn't get any currency out of pretending to be 'connected' to the club.

Paging @Kiwivillan

@Kiwivillan to the thread.

[fruitvilla]

31 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said:

Meanwhile Smith says we're happy

Is that the royal we or is it the collective we?

Of course we (VT) can also debate the veracity of the statement.

[Phil Silvers]

28 minutes ago, Beastmix said:

I got slated for saying this on here last week, but it's true. Being able to bring one off the bench gives us an alternative in games because they both have their respective skillsets.

It's a small-time mentality to think we can't bring expensive players off the bench for the tactical benefit of the team. Or, to put it another way, it would be better to have Ings or Watkins coming off the bench to make an impact than present-day Big Wes.

I can see both angles and that's what Deano has been saying, a flexibility that we haven't had till now. Ollie or Ings or both are all doable, styles make fights and we are assembling a squad that can scrap with any team.

[barry'sboots]

2 hours ago, BOF said:

It's weird. Since he has left, I have no interest in how he's doing. I've no desire to hear anything about him. Not in any childish way. It's just he's irrelevant now. He's done what he's done and that's fine. I don't feel the need to wish him well or ill. He'll do what he does, and once he's doing it 'over there' i.e. not here, then I couldn't care less. He's just another footballer.

I sympathise with your view BUT I do find it really difficult not to watch him just because I enjoy watching him as a player so much.

[barry'sboots]

2 hours ago, KMitch said:

Hourihane and Hause are both in the last year of their contracts.  I can see Hourihane departing before the end of the summer, especially if we manage to bring in JWP.  Hause, though...  Not sure about him.  He's grown a lot since he joined us, when he had one of the worst debuts I can think of since Curtis Davies.  That said, he's never going to challenge Mings/Konsa for a starting spot and really won't be anything more than backup/cup game player for us if we offer him a new deal.  We might keep him on until January then offload him for a million or two to swap for someone better.  Otherwise, we'd offer him a new deal with a view to move him on in the next 2 years.

I don't see any reason to look to move Hause on for a good while yet. I think he's probably as good a third/fourth choice CB as there is outside the Top 4 and if he is happy with that then I am happy that he is at the Villa.

[Hank Scorpio]

1 hour ago, Phil Silvers said:

JWP, Bissouma, Damsgaard and close the window, get em done Johan, stop muckin about lad.

Stay off the crack pipe sir

[barry'sboots]

1 hour ago, Phil Silvers said:

JWP, Bissouma, Damsgaard and close the window, get em done Johan, stop muckin about lad.

I wanted to post a "thanks" and a "laughter" emoji!! but could obviously on do the one.

Damsgaard appears very doable - from what I read - and if we can shift El Ghazi out to Roma so the net spend is just over £10m then that would be great business.

Bissouma would be fantastic but I think he is probably out of our reach - cost and his aspirations - from what I read.  Good podcast on from the Love of Paul McGrath discussing Doucoure as an alternative who seems to be a very similar player who is younger and at a "bargain" price of circa £15m.

If we got those two done I would be over the moon.

If we brought in a JWP or Cantwell - which I don't think we will given their price - that would make it a stellar window and with a net spend of circa £60-70m, depending on JWP/Cantwell final price.

[hippo]

27 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said:

Tbf, Arsenal had been chasing Ordegaard for a while: his signing was not a reaction to their woeful showing against Brentford.

Our board isn't going to go out and make signings that haven't been vetted in the usual manner. As such, if we've exhausted the list of possible targets identified at the start of the summer and if no unforeseen opportunities arise between now and the end of the window, then we move on. 

It's a funny market atm: we're flush with cash, in theory, and other clubs are being cautious. I wonder if this means this is an opportunity to blow them out of the water (before gate receipts etc return the landscape to pre-pandemic norms) or if selling clubs are playing hard ball because of the need to raise cash? Perhaps both?

Fwiw, I think clubs will be forced into making loan deals for their deadwood towards the end of the window: as they haven't been able to sell them on permanent deals. I can see us going in for Loftus-Cheek, in our annual game of 'let's loan a Chelsea midfielder who wants to get back into the England squad but probably won't'.

 

 

 

We're flush with Cash. ?

Not sensing that myself. We are well down on transfer expenditure since NSWE arrived. They are also underwriting millions of debt for us each month.

Just looking at £100m incoming for Grealish in isolation gives a false picture imo.

I also think we will be looking once more at the loan market.

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by hippo

[bobzy]

We've spent £350m in the last 3 seasons (including this summer) and people moan about a lack of investment.

 

Football is shit.

[Phil Silvers]

11 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

Stay off the crack pipe sir

You know what, it's fantastical 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To think that those 3 sound like a ridiculous pipe dream but not entirely unthinkable especially if we move out the 3rd raters.

Anyway, back on the crack.

[beachboys1]

1 hour ago, Mr_Dogg said:

Why's he wasting his time at CB then? Stick him up front.

sorry i meant ings

[HKP90]

2 minutes ago, hippo said:

We're flush with Cash. ?

Not sensing that myself. We are well down on transfer expenditure since NSWE arrived. They are also underwriting millions of debt for us each month.

Just looking at £100m incoming for Grealish in isolation gives a false picture imo.

I also think we will be looking once more at the loan market.

 

Also not taking into account club equity gives a false picture.

NSWE bought a 55% stake in Villa for £60 M.

Transfermarkt has our current value at £386 M.

Yes they have invested, but it’s not all huge sums of money chucked into a big hole. 

[Phil Silvers]

12 minutes ago, barry'sboots said:

I wanted to post a "thanks" and a "laughter" emoji!! but could obviously on do the one.

Damsgaard appears very doable - from what I read - and if we can shift El Ghazi out to Roma so the net spend is just over £10m then that would be great business.

Bissouma would be fantastic but I think he is probably out of our reach - cost and his aspirations - from what I read.  Good podcast on from the Love of Paul McGrath discussing Doucoure as an alternative who seems to be a very similar player who is younger and at a "bargain" price of circa £15m.

If we got those two done I would be over the moon.

If we brought in a JWP or Cantwell - which I don't think we will given their price - that would make it a stellar window and with a net spend of circa £60-70m, depending on JWP/Cantwell final price.

I think they are all getable especially if there's no bidding war, its a stretch, a big one but we're making waves. None of them are elite level(yet), we are an upgrade to all of them.

[hippo]

Just now, HKP90 said:

Also not taking into account club equity gives a false picture.

NSWE bought a 55% stake in Villa for £60 M.

Transfermarkt has our current value at £386 M.

Yes they have invested, but it’s not all huge sums of money chucked into a big hole. 

But equity until a sale is realised won't cover operational losses

[HKP90]

4 minutes ago, hippo said:

But equity until a sale is realised won't cover operational losses

Appreciated, but the point i’m making is that it is not purely an injection of 350million with no return. A substantial proportion of the injected money can be recouped on sale. Just hopefully not soon.

[hippo]

1 minute ago, HKP90 said:

Appreciated, but the point i’m making is that it is not purely an injection of 350million with no return. A substantial proportion of the injected money can be recouped on sale. Just hopefully not soon.

Fair enough.

I guess the question remains how much more are they willing to pump in this window.

[osmark86]

9 minutes ago, hippo said:

But equity until a sale is realised won't cover operational losses

We're run on goodwill. All we ever need.